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Flipper One – we need your help

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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

#331
> We're opening up the development process and asking the community for help.

Except they themselves were never around to "help" their own community, instead opting to tear down creators of competitor devices and influencers who they did not like instead of trying to work with anyone. Many 3rd party board makers and app contributors could have been spotlighted, but it was all ignored over the years. Now they just want to once again extract free labor.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

In a classic Flipper Devices move, they offload once again work to the community. This time, its even the community trying to parse the post to begin with. They're just never there to give "back" and all work is always one direction: towards them. Its bad form to make your own community feel less like "community" and more like "free labor" to exploit.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

#333

I'd be more enthusiastic if they hadn't left the flipper zero community in the lurch and basically abandoned it over the last year (and more obvious in the last 6 months). A new product doesn't mean as much when the business behind it doesn't demonstrate follow through in their first product (even something as simple as giving the community the ability to merge PRs or do releases of bugfixes).

What you describe sounds bad, especially the inability to accept help.

But accepting help does take time and attention. Launching anything means splitting attention between supporting what you created and using what you learned to create something new.

Pre-v1-launch is a wonderful time because it is so focused. But you can’t go home again.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

#334

I'd be more enthusiastic if they hadn't left the flipper zero community in the lurch and basically abandoned it over the last year (and more obvious in the last 6 months). A new product doesn't mean as much when the business behind it doesn't demonstrate follow through in their first product (even something as simple as giving the community the ability to merge PRs or do releases of bugfixes).

Is there somewhere I could read about the ongoing flipper zero issues?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

In a classic Flipper Devices move, they offload once again work to the community. This time, its even the community trying to parse the post to begin with. They're just never there to give "back" and all work is always one direction: towards them. Its bad form to make your own community feel less like "community" and more like "free labor" to exploit.

They literally paid Collabora to do FOSS work?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

#336

I really, really, really love this concept. I think there is SOME feature creep, but it does seem more or less scoped well to IP-type protocols. However, I don't think they need to be prioritizing the local AI features, which are cool...but models get far smarter when you run them on a proper Mac/external GPU vs a small battery powered Flipper device. I think it might be helpful on the go, in the field, etc, but the…

>You can connect high-speed modules to Flipper One over PCI Express, USB 3.0, and SATA interfaces.

There is feature creep, and lost the plot. I feel like either this is the latter, or they vastly surpass my imagination.

Either way, I am not convinced enough people want in pocket PCIe that would not be contented with rasp pi or laptop form factors to make this worth it.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> surprisingly cheap, What would you consider surprisingly cheap? Their last product announcement was the BUSY bar, a desktop timer with a display to show that you're busy. Pre-orders launched at $250 but they dropped the price to $219. Has not shipped yet: https://busy.app/ The Flipper One specs are significantly more expensive to manufacture than the Flipper Zero or Busy Bar. I don't think this will be a surprising…

Wow this crazy -- "Built-in Pomodoro timer" means they are literally replacing a $5 plastic tomato-shaped mechanical timing device with something that costs $220 and features WiFi and app integration. What could be more antithetical to the original pomodoro ethos, I don't know. It's like an episode of Silicon Valley.

If that's crazy to you, let me introduce you to Juicero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

Funny enough I came here to say this. I had expected it to be a call to crowd-fund their initiative, but instead it had no clear CTA at all.

Heck, if nothing else, the lack of a clear CTA would be on brand with OSS Marketing.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

#339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some projects are meant to scope creep. Like this one. If the project manager of the swiss army knife had defended it from scope creep it would have 1 knife.

IIRC the original scope was the 8 most common tasks that literal Swiss soldiers did. that was their scope. sewing and maintianing clothes was one of them, for example, so thats why it has a punch. They'd need to be able to open cans, as that was the most common long term ration, and they'd need to be able to maintain their rifles which had screws, thus screwdrivers. a version with a wine bottle opener was made for of…

>IIRC the original scope was the 8 most common tasks that literal Swiss soldiers did

Never realized opening a bottle of wine was so common to Swiss soldiers

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

A good Tl;dr; is never a bad thing in a world where everyone is being pulled in different directions for attention. I agree with you for the most part, but after reading the post, it's a mess and could do with a clear summary at the top...hell, even an index of relevant sections and sub-headings.
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