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Post by squidbeak »

goosejuice wrote: post #214
d0liver wrote: post #181

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What makes you say that AI is not going anywhere? I hear this overwhelmingly, "AI is here to stay", as if y'all are so caught up in the movement that you've started taking that conclusion as being the axiom. TBH, it feels like a religion.

I'm sorry but this makes very little sense. Society isn't going to unlearn the methods.

It makes tremendous sense - when understand as reflexive straw-clutching and wish-thinking aimed at reducing the frequency of the poster's nightmares and reducing their diaper expense.

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Post by esseph »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #352
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #222

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I've been on the free information train my entire life, back to my little hacker punk days in the 90's, so my opinion on that isn't worth much. I do think that the ecological considerations are also entirely the fault of the aforementioned CEOs. Machine learning research has been ongoing in good faith since the 40's. Blaming the technology is kind of silly. Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons we…

> is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM No it won't. Natural language manipulation is never a bottleneck in STEM.

They seem to be having at least some impact

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2527564-mathematicians-...

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Post by dml2135 »

echelon wrote: post #63
chasd00 wrote: post #17

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My wife is a former journalist and was beginning her career when the web began to take off. All the old editors and reporters in her industry blew off the Internet, blogs, and web publishing in general. They thought no one will ever quit buying papers, it was a staple of modern life! She tried to clue them in but hit a brick wall ever time. I feel like history is repeating. I use AI regularly, where it works it works…

Your wife is right. History is repeating itself. And not even for the first time. Horse carriage drivers -> Cars Print media -> Internet Drafting -> CAD Music -> Electronic music, DAWs Film photography -> Digital Traditional film special effects -> CGI Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy (there are more millionaire creators now than movie stars) In each of these cases, there was a subset of peopl…

You give examples of transitions that happened, but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. It is not self-evident that a change in technology is necessarily an improvement.

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #141

The hate around AI is entirely earned by the CEOs of the companies pushing the frontier models and integrating them into social media. Spending time and compute on generative audio and video was incredibly short-sighted. I think it was born of some arrogance that they were speeding towards the inevitability of AGI and now they're stuck with models that are as good as they're going to be due to poisoning, and very exp…

Did people hate the computer this much when it became a thing?

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Post by zozbot234 »

MisterTea wrote: post #281
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #230

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They're not firing employees to replace them with AI. We're mostly engineers here I think. Does anyone actually believe they're replacing humans with the same AI that we're using in our day-to-days? I don't know about you, but my harnesses absolutely suck without a human driving them and the more knowledgeable the human, the less they suck. It's obvious they're just using AI as cloud-cover to act like assholes in the…

If one person can become as productive as two or three, why keep the extra one or two employees? You might think that keeping the head count the same means the company can now do more but that is only true if the company has the bandwidth or market to grow into. AI is in its infancy, it's just learning to crawl. There will be more breakthroughs which will have more serious consequences. Today engineers are safe, hold…

> If one person can become as productive as two or three, why keep the extra one or two employees? You might think that keeping the head count the same means the company can now do more but that is only true if the company has the bandwidth or market to grow into.

If the extra one or two employees are 2x or 3x as productive as they used to be, why would they not be employed? There will be plenty of market to grow into since the gains in productivity are shared throughout the economy.

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Post by eloisius »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #365
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #141

The hate around AI is entirely earned by the CEOs of the companies pushing the frontier models and integrating them into social media. Spending time and compute on generative audio and video was incredibly short-sighted. I think it was born of some arrogance that they were speeding towards the inevitability of AGI and now they're stuck with models that are as good as they're going to be due to poisoning, and very exp…

Did people hate the computer this much when it became a thing?

No

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by esseph »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #298
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #222

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I've been on the free information train my entire life, back to my little hacker punk days in the 90's, so my opinion on that isn't worth much. I do think that the ecological considerations are also entirely the fault of the aforementioned CEOs. Machine learning research has been ongoing in good faith since the 40's. Blaming the technology is kind of silly. Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons we…

But you would be banning trains if they were built to just run smack into the centre of town squares loaded with bombs, rendering the cities to dust, as a part of their design and boasted about by the owners. At least until the maniacally evil train ownership debacle was better organized to prevent such harm in their core application.

There are datacenters all over the place and have been for a very long time. Some of them host physical servers for people and companies, maybe only a literal closet somewhere in a building. Others are giant hyperscaler datacenters that have tons of 24/7 lighting and are the size of multiple football fields.

We need to be very careful here, or we're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by esseph »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #355
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #340

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We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up. There's a good chance that the next pandemic is swatted down by LLM-powered vaccine development much faster than COVID-19 was. "We could do without them." is not a great take when it comes to people dying prematurely. In fact, I would bet that this particular technology will lead to climate change solutions eventua…

> LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)

> Good lord!

>I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements.

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This has been in use for awhile.

https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/

How it gets used: https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/

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Post by Paradigma11 »

logicchains wrote: post #144
watwut wrote: post #126

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Internet caused loss of jobs in journalism and also consolidation of power. There are few billionaire owners and that is it. Small independent journalism as such basically stopped to exist - it was replaced by basically hot takes. Low key institutional fact checking does not exist anymore, local news dont exist anymore. So, it would be entirely correct for someone back then to hate the changes and say it will destroy…

>Internet caused loss of jobs in journalism and also consolidation of power. This is completely false; compare reporting on the initiation of the Iraq war vs the recent Iran war. Before the internet the flow of information was more centralized and heavily controlled.

As far as i remember the medias position on the Iraq war was far more diverse than is presented today.
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