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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by metaltyphoon »

echelon wrote: post #119
metaltyphoon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinking -> Pay something else (AI) to "think" for you

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> "Working my ass off as an IC who can't move up the gradient" -> "Principal Investigator, CEO, CTO, CMO, CRO of a 10-person team, captain of creation, actual Iron Man."

* Are you being compensated for all those roles you now do?

* If you do 5x does this mean you get more time for yourself or are you now busy 24/7 with more work?

* Extrapolate this all other "5x" IC, now you all are CEO CTO CMO CRO iron man. Now what?

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Post by kalleboo »

splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

AI is here to stay. It's getting better every day with no end in sight.

We're a year away from AGI, once we have AGI, there is no need for white-collar jobs, everyone working in an office will be fired. (Some people argue we already have AGI, some argue that the term AGI doesn't even matter anymore since the models are already so intelligent)

We're maybe 3 years away from robots, they'll take over blue-collar jobs, anyone working manufacturing or in the trades will be fired.

This is what we keep being told.

So why would I bother adopting it? How will that help me whatsoever? I'm getting fired no matter what I do.

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Post by echelon »

righthand wrote: post #193
echelon wrote: post #8

I'm in film and highly exposed to the AI media and arts scene. I was very early to this hate, and I've experienced it personally by the metric boat load. I'm fine with people not liking the technology, but the number of death threats, rude comments ("your mother didn't use the coat hanger well enough"), and literal stalking and doxxing I've received from some of these rabidly anti-AI people is appalling. Whatever com…

Being upset about blocked traffic for a protest but not upset that the rich are trying to kill off the labor market is the exact hilariously short sighted issue.

> kill off the labor market

This is such a comical take. There is going to be more demand, not less.

And hypothetically, if they did kill off the labor market, they did it in the wrong country. Everyone here owns guns.

Work will be fine.

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Post by goosejuice »

d0liver wrote: post #181
tptacek wrote: post #13

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There's a normative argument in the parent that's reasonable to engage and rebut, but there's also a positive component that's less easy to take issue with. It really isn't going anywhere, no matter what world you want to live in. People were upset about databases in the 1980s (some still are).

What makes you say that AI is not going anywhere? I hear this overwhelmingly, "AI is here to stay", as if y'all are so caught up in the movement that you've started taking that conclusion as being the axiom. TBH, it feels like a religion.

I'm sorry but this makes very little sense. Society isn't going to unlearn the methods.

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Post by geremiiah »

splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

If you can't fight them, join them.

That's completely meaningless. Of course everyone will be doing their best to try to be the one who is AI-augmented rather than AI-replaced, but the end effect is still a far more brutal job market. Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd order effects of massive unemployment.

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Post by stephc_int13 »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #205
stephc_int13 wrote: post #127

Every waves of automation are naturally creating resistance, as they tend to make the lives of a large number of people miserable during the transition. Nothing new here. What I find surprising with the anti-AI sentiment is that it seems to be a lot more prevalent among the younger generation. I am not sure why or if this is a new pattern.

> What I find surprising with the anti-AI sentiment is that it seems to be a lot more prevalent among the younger generation. Why would that surprise you? They aren't stupid. They can see that people are trying to position AI as a way to replace them.

My intuition would be that the resistance would come from grumpy old guys like me who spent most of their lives perfecting their craft.

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Post by guelo »

empath75 wrote: post #31
mrbungie wrote: post #9

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AI as a tech is fine. But disliking it and the social/economic effects around it is fine too, people should be allowed to feel however they want to feel about certain techs and situations. To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in.

I would not recommend that people "suck it up", but I think people have to come to terms with the fact that AI is a legitimate technology that is going to transform the way people live and work. That is just a fact of life, as surely true about AI as it was true about the internet, or smart phones, or cars, or radio, or the train. You can close your eyes and pretend that it is not coming, or you can organize politica…

> you can organize politically

Can you? Maybe if you can afford an AI powered social media bot farm. What a great technology.

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Post by stuartjohnson12 »

spaqin wrote: post #146
stuartjohnson12 wrote: post #21

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I do think that AI tools make creativity better and not worse. I grew up with Youtube poops, photoshop, garry's mod, and flash. Being able to go from idea to asset in a fast, throwaway capacity lets you nuance and remix jokes and media on a level that isn't possible with traditional creative software. I got into software because I wanted to make things that I wanted. I think it is a great thing that the ability to ma…

Funny, growing up in the same world I'm coming to the exact opposite view - instead of unique poops and kids using limited tools in the most creative ways, we'll be getting rehashes of everything, looking mostly the same. Yes, media production is not fun. And that's what we as humans value in art - the labor. Easy things don't impress us. And by sticking to the default, easy option, with barely any good reason to emb…

I recently saw a funny video on TikTok of someone's proposal where the man was lunging weirdly far forward in order to present the ring.

The comment section was full of AI-generated edits to this image which exaggerated it or changed the setting in various creative ways - making his leg even longer, making his leg extend over a giant chasm, adding a bench behind him so he was performing a Bulgarian split squat. I giggled my way through the comments.

This form of humor - of being able to take human in-jokes and run with them - was not possible before artificial intelligence, and it was very funny! Memes are about to get so much more varied and funny as the effort requirement drops. We're nowhere near the effort ceiling in terms of making great memes, most people just simply do not have the time, resources or patience to actualise their mind's eye. It reminded me of exactly the kind of dumb joke and rehashing that made YTPs so special in the first place. I don't know if this is high art, but it is art, and I don't think YTPs were a particularly special form of comedy outside of our rose-tinted memories of childhood.

There's still the capacity for human labor and uniqueness to be embedded in AI-generated media - only the first breaths of low-quality algoslop lacked that. Expression and mimetics will change, and I think children born today will get to enjoy richer and funnier content than we did now that they are unshackled from GMod stop motion.

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Post by [deleted] »

endymion-light wrote: post #118
lccerina wrote: post #54

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You don't need to have a "good knowledge" of a misused technology to hate it when it's used by malevolent people. In the same way I don't need to be a virologist to know that is better to avoid the flu, I don't need to be a ML/AI expert to see its direct detrimental effects on people, communities, and the internet as a whole.

But given your example - I don't care much for the opinion of someone who believes flu is spread by sinful thoughts. It's good to have a base understanding of something that you'd like to speak about. Are local LLM models also within this hate sphere? What about fully open source vision models? That's what makes an article like this feel hollow - it's just someone talking about vibes. Or to quote the article: " But w…

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