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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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You really think he got murdered?

To those in the know, it's not really uncommon knowledge. Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. You're welcome to look into what those around him said regarding his detention and death. He is just a well-publicized example. Many of you here have probably used darknet markets, if so, your vendors are…

> Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him.

> your vendors are likely neurocompromised as well.

What in the world are you talking about.

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As society's repositories of knowledge, I feel like AI should fall under libraries. Especially considering how AI utilizes others knowledge/text they don't legally have rights to. The carveout we made slightly similar (in that they have special rules for their use) is for libraries.

An 8-bay Synology costs about $1000. It'll hold an eighth of a petabyte pretty comfortably (with sufficient redundancy). It's bizarre and disturbing to me how few of you seem to be interested in having your own libraries, even though technology has finally delivered that ability to you. You'll come on here once every 3 months and whine about how we have to do more for public libraries, even though they seem to largel…

Libraries serve a lot purpose than you are giving credit for.

Libraries are a general facility for the public, they offer the standard books and other rental type arrangements although they are so much more than that!

- Access to computers

- Access to internet

- Access to printing

- Access to 3D Printing

- Access to Meeting rooms

- Access to Mental Health Services

- Access to Archive Rooms (newspapers, seed archives, etc).

They serve as a repository for everything physical. Most libraries have archive rooms with various artifacts from the region, including newspapers, publications, recordings, etc. Most of this stuff isn't available online.

Visit a library near a University or School and it becomes packed full of students researching and studying, even if most aren't accessing the books, the rooms, desk and facilities themselves are important.

Not everyone is willing to pirate books, willing to setup Synology devices, etc. A library grants an official place to access things in a legal way, easily (and for free!) among many other things.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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> We’re able to provide high-speed access to our full collections, as well as to unreleased collections. >This is enterprise-level access that we can provide for donations in the range of tens of thousands USD. We’re also willing to trade this for high-quality collections that we don’t have yet. https://annas-archive.gl/llm

Which is interesting. What if they had proof of US AI companies paying them (AA) for sourcing “high quality collections we don’t have yet”? Procurement of an illegal act is an illegal act. Might this be enough to garner some legal cover from their presumably well-heeled customers?

We at least have proof of US AI Companies buying access to AA in general. [0]

[0] - https://torrentfreak.com/nvidia-contacted-annas-archive-to-s...

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Once more: Piracy is almost always a service problem, not a pricing problem. If there was an online e-book store where you could buy most books as DRM-free epub files, and you could read the first X pages for free, I guarantee you that nobody here would care about the OP article. It would have maybe 4 or 5 upvotes.

Amazon?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

It’s crazier to me that a number of Anthropic managers and executives aren’t in prison.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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No. Anthropic fought and paid $1.5 billion in settlement and agreed to delete all the copyrighted material.

Delete? Wasn’t that material already used to train models?

"Deleting" data they already ingested is meaningless.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As society's repositories of knowledge, I feel like AI should fall under libraries. Especially considering how AI utilizes others knowledge/text they don't legally have rights to. The carveout we made slightly similar (in that they have special rules for their use) is for libraries.

An 8-bay Synology costs about $1000. It'll hold an eighth of a petabyte pretty comfortably (with sufficient redundancy). It's bizarre and disturbing to me how few of you seem to be interested in having your own libraries, even though technology has finally delivered that ability to you. You'll come on here once every 3 months and whine about how we have to do more for public libraries, even though they seem to largel…

And you'll have your nice library and can read whenever you want from the comfort of your own home, and while most people will pirate shit libraries can be great for making things accessible without a $60/month mobile charge, especially when people can't afford shelter.

> Literacy was only interesting for most people as a means to pass the time until they could get their hands on AI slop Tiktok feeds.

Its funny to me how the people who so readily declare certainty about the future constantly demonstrate their utter ignorance of the human spirit. Whats the whole basis for this country again?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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cTLDs do things very differently

But the authoritative root server set is maintained by ICANN, so they have ultimate control (for now) and can essentially dictate terms for all TLDs. I wonder whether we wventually see some other power establish their own root servers which mirror only the parts of ICANNs DNS that are politically convenient to whoever does this.

So far root servers haven’t done stuff to ccTLDs

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An 8-bay Synology costs about $1000. It'll hold an eighth of a petabyte pretty comfortably (with sufficient redundancy). It's bizarre and disturbing to me how few of you seem to be interested in having your own libraries, even though technology has finally delivered that ability to you. You'll come on here once every 3 months and whine about how we have to do more for public libraries, even though they seem to largel…

The price for that storage system will be far more dominated by drive prices than by the cost of the NAS box itself. Drive prices have approximately doubled in my area vs. 2 years ago. This is also generally a selfish attitude where you personally benefit while structures that used to benefit society at large are eroded.

> price for that storage system will be far more dominated by drive prices...doubled in my area vs. 2 years ago.

Absolutely. To get 1/8 PB = 125 TB home library "easily":

We'll use 8 disks in the 125TB library. Between RAID 5 (1 disk lost OK to recover) vs RAID 6 (2 disks lost OK to recover), choose RAID 6 (our disks could fail at same time if of similar production or unlucky). RAID6 means 25% of space used for parity overhead, and 2-5% used for metadata/filesystem.

So looking for about 163TB. 163TB / 8 rounds to 21 TB. This pushes us above 16TB disks. Between 20TB and 22TB, choose 22Tb to feel safe.

Napkin math:

  Synology 8-bay DS: $1150 (Amazon price)

  8x 22TB Seagate 22TB external 3.5" = 8 x $390 = $3120 (also the #1 least expensive disk per TB for 3.5" external at https://diskprices.co currently)
So we're at $1150+$3120 = $4270 for one library.

But something cvan happen to that. Fall, fire, water, theft, party. We could lose everything.

So following 3-2-1 we'll have 3 copies, on 2 media, with one offsite.

Copy 2 can be same as first (RAID is for disk redundancy not backup -- we still have one copy only).

By now, 2x Synology 8-bays, plus 16x 22TB disks, puts us at $8540 for what we can keep at home.

But disks only really last about 5 years. They're getting kinda better, but in reality those disks can fail and should be replaced about every 5 years, some people get 10.

So every 5 years, we can want to shell ou;t about $8540. But wait, disks about doubled in the past year. Maybe it'll be $16,000 next time? Hard to say.

We still need a 3rd, off-site copy for 3-2-1. Recent reports indicated Backblaze silently lost data, some people exodused I believe. To where? IDK, but let's pick Amazon Glacier deep storage. At 125TB (just useful data), at $0.00099/GB/mo, that puts it at, over the same 5 years: $0.00099/GB/mo * 125000 GB * 12mo * 5yr = $7,425/5yr

(For the remote copy: can your ISP actually handle uploading 125TB? How long does that take to do once, even half? Is ISP transfer capped? Will 3rd party storage provider change prices or lose data? That's why we have 3 copies, maybe change providers when needed.

In any case, add it on 3-2-1 for 125TB would cost, at the easiest/cheapest: $4270 * 2 + $7,425 = 4270+7425 = $15,965, good for about 5 years.

So, every 5 years, spending $15,965.

At these volumes, are do even have ECC RAM? Are we scanning for and correcting errors with correct data when they occur? We don't want a hobby, we want an appliance, for this library, often especially if we work 99% of the time in tech and have life to live, quite likely.

Let's try another formula: on a shoestring and a hope, one could do it "cheap on RAID 5 (only 12.5% lost to parity and metadata/filesystem) and under-storage without 3-2-1" by going Synology 8-bay ($1150, Amazon) + 8 * 16TB (8 * $410 per https://diskprices.co = $3280) = $1150 + $3280 = $4430

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  In grand summary, roughly every 5 years:

  Done "right": $15,965
  Done "cheap": $4,430 and only 112TB usable.
You know what, 112TB starts to feel like not that much, when we look at the size of some of the libraries out there.

Averaged over 5 years (though it's not) these are:

  - Right: $15,965 / 5yr = about $3,200/yr (plus tax) for 125TB usable library
  - Cheap: $4,430 / 5yr = $886/yr (plus tax) for 112TB usable library
If a techie makes $150K, that's about 0.6%-2% of income, if we forget taxes (sales or income) entirely.

Maybe doable. But it's like owning another car in more ways than one (cost, maintenance/ongoing-care). Some individuals can swing it without even thinking. Most can't.

IMO, if the AI industry or any players would like us to become more computer centric, and make use of all the data that tech now lets us have, its constituents should do something (anything) to drive the cost of disks DOWN, not UP.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think he got murdered?

To those in the know, it's not really uncommon knowledge. Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. You're welcome to look into what those around him said regarding his detention and death. He is just a well-publicized example. Many of you here have probably used darknet markets, if so, your vendors are…

> Have control over somebody else's organism

What does that even mean? Are you an InfoWars fan? lol

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