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Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Is there really a distinction between torturing humans and torturing pets? Aside from torture being torture, pets are members of people's families!

> pets are members of people's families!

If you could only rescue one member from some kind of deadly emergency and they had equal chances, would you prioritize the pet over a human member of your family?

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Is there really a distinction between torturing humans and torturing pets? Aside from torture being torture, pets are members of people's families!

If I had to choose between my cat and my daughter...

Hell, if I had to choose between MY cat and YOUR daughter, the choice would will be easy

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Is there really a distinction between torturing humans and torturing pets? Aside from torture being torture, pets are members of people's families!

> pets are members of people's families! If you could only rescue one member from some kind of deadly emergency and they had equal chances, would you prioritize the pet over a human member of your family?

Legal/social consequences weight into your question.

A more straightforward angle could be money spent: would someone spend more for the wellbeing of their pet than for a family member (elderlies included).

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When I had my ear surgery about 20 years ago, the doctor explained to me that I would be awake for part of the procedure, but the anesthesia meant that I would have no memory of it.¹ It’s a weird thing to think about whether that lack of memory would obviate the pain or discomfort of the moment. ⸻ 1. As it turned out, I was so frightened in the lead-up to the surgery that they had to do general anesthesia on me becau…

Purely anecdotal, but I had surgery a few years ago (relatively minor). But I could feel for months after a sort of 'unconscious PSTD' I don't know how else to describe it. Even after it was healed and the pain was gone, there was just a deep sense of 'something bad happened in there' feeling. I'd have dreams of someone digging around in my body. Anyway, it's all gone now, but a weird experience for sure.

I have vivid dreams and smells from a surgery where the visions and feeling of them poking me are incredibly intense. The question is whether it’s a memory or a manifestation of fear. I rarely dream (every few years), but this vivid dream comes through on occasion.

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I will be removing my organ donor status. This is horrifying.

I highly highly doubt that by consenting to be an organ donor you are consenting to this.

Unless you live in some incredibly lawless country?

Organ donation is so very sensitive, and those who use the service are so aware of the sensitivities I think that you'd be insane to have such a reaction to this media piece.

In fact, I'll go one further. I have serious doubts you were ever an organ donor at all.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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As long as this practice is legal then I am unwilling to be an organ donor.

All of these comments are making me realise that the US is an incredibly low trust environment, where people think horrific things are going to happen to them without the their/or their families consent.

And who am I to judge? Maybe that is the reality.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Live dissection and experimentation on “alive but drugged” human brains is mental. How do you ensure that you aren’t torturing a brain that can’t see, hear or scream? How are you held accountable?

It's still an open debate whether the seat of consciousness (or even simpler, perception) is the brain. see e.g. Wahbeh, H., Radin, D., Cannard, C., & Delorme, A. (2022). What if consciousness is not an emergent property of the brain? Observational and empirical challenges to materialistic models. Frontiers in psychology, 13, 955594. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.955594 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem…

> It's still an open debate

No it's not, not by anyone serious.

We know the brain is the seat of consciousness because damage to the brain damages consciousness. There is no other organ in the body where that's true. You can completely replace all other organs without changing consciousness.

You can always find a paper by a quack that posits the earth is flat, that doesn't mean there's serious debate.

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