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Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by mattlondon »

gavmor wrote: post #30
acheron wrote: post #5

“We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?” Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7 Ac…

Give credit where credit is due: Descartes, Kant, Putnam, etc.

Hmm pretty sure I saw this in the thought traces of Claude the other day...

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by poszlem »

stavros wrote: post #37
Barbing wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recognized that anesthetic from its famous irresponsible use- "Attention to the risks of off-label use of propofol increased in August 2009, after the release of the Los Angeles County coroner's report that musician Michael Jackson was killed by a mixture of propofol and the benzodiazepine drugs lorazepam, midazolam, and diazepam on 25 June 2009." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol Used properly, however: "To i…

Apparently MJ was taking propofol to sleep, which another commenter said was akin to "getting a haircut by undergoing chemo".

That "another commenter" was Robin Williams - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fZkFooaaaSo

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by stavros »

poszlem wrote: post #42
stavros wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently MJ was taking propofol to sleep, which another commenter said was akin to "getting a haircut by undergoing chemo".

That "another commenter" was Robin Williams - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fZkFooaaaSo

Oh wow, I can't believe he was on reddit!

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #39
stavros wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently MJ was taking propofol to sleep, which another commenter said was akin to "getting a haircut by undergoing chemo".

Between what he did to children, and what his parents did to him, it's hard to really blame the guy for having extreme sleep problems though.

> what he did to children

The media and the people who bought into their shameless attention-grabbing lies are the reason he had sleep problems. He was unanimously acquitted of all counts, but the media made his life into a living hell by consistently portraying him as a pedophile because it drove incredible engagement numbers. A justice system should be "innocent until proven guilty", and yet MJ was deemed guilty even after proven innocent. Longform read from an actually good journalist, if you care to learn for yourself: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_61...

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by falsaberN1 »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #39
stavros wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently MJ was taking propofol to sleep, which another commenter said was akin to "getting a haircut by undergoing chemo".

Between what he did to children, and what his parents did to him, it's hard to really blame the guy for having extreme sleep problems though.

It's not only not been proven, but the island man stuff and testimony of people like Culkin suggest he actually did the opposite of doing bad things to children and was most likely a scapegoat for the "elites" of Hollywood because of his race.

At the very least drop an "allegedly" or something to make it sound a little tasteful.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by throwaway613746 »

Aboutplants wrote: post #25
NDlurker wrote: post #16

This is legal but I can't legally pay another adult for sex or take drugs that could harm me? And there are many restrictions on gambling. It's weird how some morals are legislated but not others.

This provides humanity with a greater good than gambling

So did Nazi eugenics.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by dostick »

aetherspawn wrote: post #6

Live dissection and experimentation on “alive but drugged” human brains is mental. How do you ensure that you aren’t torturing a brain that can’t see, hear or scream? How are you held accountable?

Brain does not have physical feelings, and with all other feelings cut off and not possible, even with consciousness it won’t be a horror scenario like in MetallicA’s “One”.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by EA-3167 »

genxy wrote: post #40
EA-3167 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a great article, and it glosses over the reality that if you hooked this brain up to an EEG it would show unequivocal brain death. CELLS of the brain are alive, but in terms of being able to function in any sort of coordinated way there that ship sailed minutes after the person who donated their organs died. The wave of depolarization that marks brain death isn't something we can reverse, and what's being do…

> isn't something we can reverse Until you hook it up to a lightening rod in the top of a castle!

Just remember to be a good father, or things get really epic in a gothic sort of way.

Re: Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing

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Post by harimau777 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #12
aetherspawn wrote: post #6

Live dissection and experimentation on “alive but drugged” human brains is mental. How do you ensure that you aren’t torturing a brain that can’t see, hear or scream? How are you held accountable?

Well, we know how to make living brains insensate - that's who we all make it through surgery. Presumably they're doing something similar - or using some other well-understood mechanism - to ensure that's not the case. > The brains are already almost devoid of the coordinated neural firing necessary even for minimal consciousness, says Brendan Parent, a bioethicist at New York University Langone Health and one of six…

My understanding was that we now believe that patients under anesthesia are often "awake" but the drugs prevent them from forming memories so they can't complain once the anesthesia wears off.

Is that incorrect?

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