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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Here's a question- and while I admit it is quite extreme- I've wondered this for quite some time- do please tell me why I'm wrong, because I feel as if I've started believing this more and more: Could 5% of humanity be a psycho-path-subspecies? These psychopaths are basically leeches on the rest of us, maybe even a cancer. Not only do they feel no guilt for enslaving other (wage-slavery), but they are also fine with…

its estimated ~1% of humans are psychopathic. psychopaths are optimized for ladder-climbing (career, politics, etc.), so the rate of CEOs and politicians that are psychopathic is higher than 1%. and that probably explains a lot about the world. however, i wouldnt call people affected by psychopathy a "subspecies", and i strongly doubt they have any extra psychopathy-sensing special abilities like sight or smell. that…

There was a study about 4% psycho-whatever in politics.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Why LLM companies that depended on Anna's archive end up so clean ? Looks like Anna's archive was doing the dirty work, and the LLM companies were reaping the profits (and ironically still do, as they hold the largest databases of pirated content in the world). Is it because the law doesn't apply to you when you have 1B USD ?

Distribution. Anna's archive actively distributes the pirated material. LLM companies don't.

I'd argue the LLMs certainly distribute copyright material. That's why it can do things like:

https://g.co/gemini/share/20843b4609d9

Now, you could argue quotes are fair use - but can you argue the material isn't part of the LLM?

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#184

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

Anthropic lost a $1.5B lawsuit for downloading books from shadow libraries

That's just a fine. Cost of business

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Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Well, that's where digital goods differ from physical goods. But it's also why piracy != theft.

> To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Physical vs. digital is a red herring. It’s about access to copyrighted works. The benefit to authors/publishers comes with a benefit to the public. We’ve lost the latter.

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No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.

So anyone with deep enough pockets can do it. However, just because you receive a fine does not mean that you "can't" do it. You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.

Yeah? These were published books and the main complaint was that they had not paid for them. If they pay up, the problem is solved. Anyone with enough money to buy all those books up front could do the same without the lawsuit.

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A digital Fahrenheit 451 burns a lot less bright it seems.

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You're downvoted, but correct. And I challenge anyone to dispute this. I'm sick and tired of people trying to justify piracy. If you want to read a book – the product of someone's hard work – pay for it (fairly).

That said, I also support Anna's Archive. We need access to books.

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Delete? Wasn’t that material already used to train models?

All AI companies should be forced to re-train their models without the offending materials, and this should also extend to all LLMs distilled from models exposed to copyrighted works. Also cover code under licences such as GPL as well. Not to mention patents and designs. This whole LLM business is a giant IP laundromat.

One of the best things about it IMO -- or we'd be spending the next hundred years waiting for copyright reform

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I work at a nonprofit and the board is largely university librarians. I am asking all of them how have the behavior of their patrons changed in the last five years. How has usage of their subscribed resources changed in the age of AI. They don't share much, but their facial expressions and silence share more than they mean them to. Some universities have cut staff, or reclassified them so that they won't receive bene…

> They don't share much Why not?

it's gotten scary out there for purveyors of truth and knowledge. book burnings, banning, retributive use of the judicial system, etc..
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