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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by presbyterian »

bfrankline wrote: post #113
jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

They do, but under a completely different system than the way that they do for print books. When a library buys a print book, they can keep it in circulation for as long as they want and it's physically durable, but for digital, they're paying either per circulation or for an amount of time. They never own anything, they pay for temporary licenses, just like you never own the digital media you purchase in most cases.

The point that the person you're replying to is making is that this totally breaks the way libraries have always worked, and that it takes a lot of power away from the buyers (whether that's you or your local library) and puts way more in the hand of the publishers.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by PowerElectronix »

FireBeyond wrote: post #95
jiveturkey wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when does a commission in the EU get to tell the entire World how to treat Personal Data?

You as a business are free to not to business with Europeans.

Why can't euros do as they want instead of as they're told?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by pessimizer »

beej71 wrote: post #66
gothicbluebird wrote: post #26

Anna's archive is a professional nonprofit business with donation tiers for terabyte bundles of stuff for greedy hoarders and llm trainers. Their style suggests they have other goals than freedom of information and reminds of the super rich wikimedia foundation always campaigning for more money.

Their style? What do you mean?

There's no possible way it means anything. You'd only start talking about "style" when you ran out of argument. The next thing is a mention of a random thing they were "reminded" of, but with no particular explanation.

The style of the comment suggests that they have far more sinister motives than mere online discussion, and reminds me of off-brand, leaky adult incontinence wear.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by mjcl »

bfrankline wrote: post #113
jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

Even libraries can only license digital content for a limited period of time/loans before being forced to purchase new licenses. See https://www.spokanelibrary.org/the-true-cost-of-ebooks-and-a...

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Post by mgr86 »

jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

I work at a nonprofit and the board is largely university librarians. I am asking all of them how have the behavior of their patrons changed in the last five years. How has usage of their subscribed resources changed in the age of AI. They don't share much, but their facial expressions and silence share more than they mean them to. Some universities have cut staff, or reclassified them so that they won't receive benefits.

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Post by uyzstvqs »

Once more: Piracy is almost always a service problem, not a pricing problem.

If there was an online e-book store where you could buy most books as DRM-free epub files, and you could read the first X pages for free, I guarantee you that nobody here would care about the OP article. It would have maybe 4 or 5 upvotes.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by uyzstvqs »

jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Well, that's where digital goods differ from physical goods. But it's also why piracy != theft.

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Post by rho_soul_kg_m3 »

whycome wrote: post #112
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Anthropic fought and paid $1.5 billion in settlement and agreed to delete all the copyrighted material.

Delete? Wasn’t that material already used to train models?

All AI companies should be forced to re-train their models without the offending materials, and this should also extend to all LLMs distilled from models exposed to copyrighted works. Also cover code under licences such as GPL as well. Not to mention patents and designs. This whole LLM business is a giant IP laundromat.

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Post by Cider9986 »

ndiddy wrote: post #39
randomtoast wrote: post #8

They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.

They used Cloudflare as a CDN, so now they lose that protection. Additionally, depending on how far up the chain the publishers are willing to go, everything on the Internet eventually leads to Western jurisdiction. For example, even if the servers are located in Russia, Russia's IP range is controlled by RIPE NCC in the Netherlands. RIPE NCC's service agreement specifically says that IP registration does not constit…

At this point they might finally make an onion v3 domain. Not sure why they haven't done this yet.

You get censorship resistance and it also doesn't leave a trail that leads to your location or requires payment methods. All of which leads to deanonymization.

The main way that an adversary would identify the location of an onion site would be to shut off the power/internet in various locations. That would be an unlikely step against some book piracy, imo.

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