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OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

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Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

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It depends at least partially on how much they're going to float. I think SpaceX is only planning about a 4% float, so even at $1.5T they only need around $60B. Which is a drop in the bucket. EDIT - but that's just the IPO, I wasn't even thinking about how much insiders will want to sell after the lockup ends...

Is 100+ FPE the new normal?

Must be retail investors believing: big number == good.

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

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At this point IPOs are mainly for unloading bags onto retail. Every institution who wanted a piece of these labs got in years ago and captured all the value.

Well, sad to say this is simply untrue for a few reasons. 1. "Retail" does not have enough purchasing power to have all of these "bags" unloaded on to. 2. Institutions buy shares in public firms post-IPO all the time even when they're "unloading bags onto retail". Take Uber (random example) ~83% is owned by institutions. 3. General factual history of the stock market shows that you are incorrect. Successful companies…

So I take it you're going to buy shares of OpenAI on opening day then? ;)

Institutions merely owning a newly-IPO'd stock means nothing. They get access to shares at a reasonable price before opening while retail is buying at insane prices after open. See Figma as an example where institutional investors got it at $33/share and it ended the IPO day at $115/share with retail buying all the way up (including pops above that at like $127)

I thought it was common knowledge that IPOs are a way for insiders and early investors (not IPO flippers) to get a nice exit during the frenzy.

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends at least partially on how much they're going to float. I think SpaceX is only planning about a 4% float, so even at $1.5T they only need around $60B. Which is a drop in the bucket. EDIT - but that's just the IPO, I wasn't even thinking about how much insiders will want to sell after the lockup ends...

Is 100+ FPE the new normal?

The valuation just needs to be high enough to get into an index, then the 401K plans start buying the shares automatically.

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

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Is that the case? What about gpt 4.5? o1-pro?

with revenue >2x cost, they can afford to have a miss now and then

If you have a machine that reliably takes $1 and makes $2 you raise debt not equity

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

#47
post #46

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with revenue >2x cost, they can afford to have a miss now and then

If you have a machine that reliably takes $1 and makes $2 you raise debt not equity

care to elaborate? if my machine is doubling my money, why do I have to raise debt?

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

#48

Throughout the “AI bubble” talk in 2024 and 2025, I consistently argued that we were nowhere near the peak of the AI bubble. So far, that view has held up, as valuations are significantly higher today than they were in 2024 and 2025. If you look at the way the dotcom bubble unfolded, dotcom didn't take off until after Netscape IPOed in 1995. The market had 5 more years of growth until the collapse. And even after col…

> Be scared when random AI companies IPO with bad ideas and no revenue.

Shouldn't we at least be a little bit scared already when shoe companies pivot to AI and their stock goes up ~750%?

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

#49
post #33

At this point IPOs are mainly for unloading bags onto retail. Every institution who wanted a piece of these labs got in years ago and captured all the value.

Well, sad to say this is simply untrue for a few reasons. 1. "Retail" does not have enough purchasing power to have all of these "bags" unloaded on to. 2. Institutions buy shares in public firms post-IPO all the time even when they're "unloading bags onto retail". Take Uber (random example) ~83% is owned by institutions. 3. General factual history of the stock market shows that you are incorrect. Successful companies…

It's absolutely true. Just look at how private equity is now getting access to public markets and retirement accounts[0]. You think PE is letting the little guys in out of the goodness of their hearts? No, they've extracted as much as they can and the market is starting to question the absurd valuation of private assets.

A wise man once said: "if you're given an opportunity to cut an amazing deal and you can't tell who's getting screwed, then it's probably you"

0: https://pestakeholder.org/news/trump-admin-bails-out-private...

Re: OpenAI Is Preparing to File for an IPO Soon

#50
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sad to say this is simply untrue for a few reasons. 1. "Retail" does not have enough purchasing power to have all of these "bags" unloaded on to. 2. Institutions buy shares in public firms post-IPO all the time even when they're "unloading bags onto retail". Take Uber (random example) ~83% is owned by institutions. 3. General factual history of the stock market shows that you are incorrect. Successful companies…

So I take it you're going to buy shares of OpenAI on opening day then? ;) Institutions merely owning a newly-IPO'd stock means nothing. They get access to shares at a reasonable price before opening while retail is buying at insane prices after open. See Figma as an example where institutional investors got it at $33/share and it ended the IPO day at $115/share with retail buying all the way up (including pops above…

> So I take it you're going to buy shares of OpenAI on opening day then? ;)

Probably not. Do you understand however that your comment does not make sense in the context of my comment?

> Institutions merely owning a newly-IPO'd stock means nothing. They get access to shares at a reasonable price before opening while retail is buying at insane prices after open. See Figma as an example where institutional investors got it at $33/share and it ended the IPO day at $115/share with retail buying all the way up (including pops above that at like $127)

It also doesn't mean nothing - you have to go and analyze any given stock to make these kinds of claims on a per-IPO/equity basis. You also are ignoring traders and trading algorithms run by... big institutions and trading firms, and you're not accounting for volume or accounting for post-IPO purchases nor breaking those down by segment. In other words, you're just making stuff up.

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