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Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by antonID »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

I agree that the laws shouldn't be as crazy as they are now, but why make it harder to catch file-sharers? It's illegal to share stuff like this, and I don't see any justifiable reason why this shouldn't be illegal. However, it should be a small fine in my opinion, and it's a waste of time to break down the doors of these people downloading music unless they are making a ton of money by selling this pirated content.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by veb »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

Forgive me if I'm wrong, however isn't this what Kim Dotcom was going to do with his music service? Hit the labels where it'd hurt them the most (less profits) - then the raid came.

I also wonder if Microsoft is currently thinking of something like this. I recently watched 'Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn' whilst I've never played a Halo game or anything (I've just known about it), and instead of making a movie directly to theaters they release it free on mediums people enjoy (bit-by-bit on YouTube then released it as a movie). They definitely have the distribution and technology to do more of this. I hope they do, I really liked that Halo movie, I kind of want to buy an Xbox and play the games now... :)

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by adamq_q »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

Apple and Google have large enough platforms where if they publicized a "direct-to-artist" payment system, you could see it getting a lot of use.

Something like that would obviously not be healthy for their relationship with the record labels and would never happen. But you need a large enough platform to make a difference. What about Facebook?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by btbuilder »

polymatter wrote: post #15
DanBC wrote: post #11

The age of criminal responsibility in Finland is 15. So I'm at a loss at what is going to happen to this 9 year old girl. Certainly downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But there are much better ways of dealing with this than sending in the police. And justice needs to be public. (With a few rare exceptions). Forcing people to sign NDAs is creepy and weird. I'd be interested to know what would have happe…

IANAL but I expect they will pin it on the father on the basis that he paid for internet access and therefore responsible.

I don't think this is sound logic. If you pay the electricity bill and then someone electrocutes you are you responsible for your own death? :-D

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by pg »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

Actually a better phrase for this situation is reductio ad malum.

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Post by benohear »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

How about a lawsuit insurance scheme? Pay $X per month and if you get sued the insurance company will take the case to court and pay any damages.

This would kill the effortless €600 extortion scheme, and probably also DDOS the court system.

Possible backfire: It makes the labels even more lawsuit happy knowing that there is a pile of cash there if they win, and / or the cash reserves of the insurance are not sufficient and it goes bust fighting suits.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by stevewillows »

The trouble with running an indie label is that you rely heavily on grant money (usually through the government). The major labels are the only ones who can execute non-organic marketing strategies (billboards, commercials etc).

Even the deals that people are signing these days aren't in their best interest. Often a band will sign only to never have anything released by the label. The kicker is that the label still owns anything that band (even as individuals) make for a period of time. You're essentially treated like a movie script.

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Post by physcab »

pg wrote: post #107

This is the reductio ad absurdum of current law. We need to work more actively to make this sort of thing stop. There are a range of solutions. We could try to change the laws. We could develop technology that would make it harder to catch file-sharers. We could attack the labels directly by trying to pinch off the sources of their revenue. I'm not sure which would work the best. My guess is that they're better at ma…

It strikes me that whoever solves the App Store Discovery Problem can apply the same solution to music. Right now all the biggest gaming companies are solving this problem by signing up (paying) companies with high DAU games to join a sort of gaming social network, sometimes unbeknownst to the user. The network then lowers the cost of user acquisition for all participants. Makegameswithus seems genius in the sense that making it extremely developer friendly will help them win the mindshare of developers and in time, will produce quality high-DAU games for their network.

Labels are essentially big gaming companies, pouring an immense amount of resources for those couple home-run hits. So maybe in the future Makegameswithus will spin off a Makesongswithus and make it easier for any amateur artist to promote their music on iTunes but with all the producer work outsourced like it currently does for art.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by Futurebot »

What's amazing to me that in the past 10 years, so much has changed with regard to the music industry (streaming radio, MP3s becoming ubiquitous at mainstream e-commerce sites, everyone with a music player/smartphone in their pocket, etc.) and yet how little has changed (lawsuits, the laws themselves, and the general insanity around the topic.) A glimpse into these same conversations from the previous era:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/21/73329/8778

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/31/205359/166

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/5/16/163447/493

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/21/215822/505

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