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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jrm4 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #117
lynndotpy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.

Individual adults absolutely do, but "systems, PR, and institutions" DO NOT, and that is the important lesson that so many people here aggressively dodge.

I personally can download this software and use it on my computer.

Now, can I recommend it to my class? Through zero fault or opinion of my own, it still might be a very bad idea for me professionally.

Maybe I don't like how sensitive people are. TOO BAD, it doesn't matter in this context.

The clowns who refuse to rename GIMP keep missing a huge opportunity.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #43
account42 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that both of these kept GIMP in the name when the name itself has spawend a different fork.

I remember one renamed Glimpse but it seems they stopped working on it long ago: https://github.com/azubieta/Glimpse

Yes, none of the forks have succeeded so PS interface compatibility may not be as important as is constantly mentioned.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

mattkevan wrote: post #96

Photoshop's interface is getting worse [1] and everyone hates Adobe, so there's a great opportunity for a tool like GIMP to step up and become the default alternative. It's got a lot of features, it's been around for a long time and has reasonable name recognition (for better or worse). However, unless they do a Blender and make a sustained effort to improve the UI, understand what people want and how it fits into pr…

Gimp has nothing like the interface deviations Blender did, like right click selection, etc. So there isn’t anything of that scale to fix.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #117
lynndotpy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.

This is not true, I am in America and the name has been seriously problematic.

This is not surprising, the developers were English-speaking Americans who chose a name to cause offense on purpose, in reference to the full-body sex slave suit in Pulp Fiction: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/

I don't know who you claim to represent with "the rest of us", but I can only speak for the experience in America. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with me, it's a simple fact that the name GIMP has been a barrier to its adoption.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Izkata »

ndiddy wrote: post #78
thisislife2 wrote: post #67

The argument over the UI in GIMP and Photoshop is actually based on the kind of "false" premise that Photoshop has a "superior" UI. It reminds of my first experience using macOS, as a long time Windows user. The first few months on macOS was a totally frustrating and negative experience for me - "What the ...? why does the ENTER key not open files or folders? Why is it going to 'rename' mode? Why doesn't double-click…

I grew up using Paint Shop Pro, so I'm not familiar with either. I've recently had to start using both Photoshop and GIMP (Photoshop because the best tool for descreening printed documents is the Sattva Descreen Photoshop plugin, GIMP because I've largely switched to Linux). GIMP is not like most software. With Photoshop, there's tons of functionality but I can usually figure out what to do by poking around in the me…

That's an option on the Move tool, whether to move the current layer or the thing you clicked on.

As someone who has never used Photoshop, I've always found Gimp to be pretty intuitive, and reading some of the complaints on here I expect I'd find Photoshop strange and unintuitive. For example, one of the comparisons above is about copy/paste, but from their description the Gimp version is much closer to how copy/paste works in general, where you have to paste to create the new copy before you can manipulate it.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by firebot »

echelon wrote: post #52
neuralkoi wrote: post #21

GIMP gets the work done. I've never had an issue I couldn't address with its tools, but it's clear the UI was crafted by coders. I'm glad for this approach.

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

3. They should rename it LIMP. Linux ....

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Izkata »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #114
chiffre01 wrote: post #41

I've never understood GIMP's approach to copy paste either. They've made a decision that copy and paste must require as many un-intuitive steps as possible. Most graphics programs let you select a region, copy it and then move the copy around to where you want it, the end. You can usually paste into new layer if needed. But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new…

Not sure what you’re seeing, but if you choose the move (four arrow button) tool after pasting, it will move the selection. Then you can create a layer or merge down etc if you wish but not required.

Slightly beyond that, pasting creates a temporary new layer you can manipulate like normal layers before anchoring it or converting it to a normal layer. It's visible in the Layers window as a separate layer from the one you were working on.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

mattkevan wrote: post #90
actionfromafar wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I maybe like this candidate - the "company" failed the test and the candidate moved on. :-)

The company absolutely failed the test. If they're not using industry standard tools then it's a sign they don't take the role seriously. That would be a huge red flag to me. It's like applying to be developer and being told to use Microsoft FrontPage. It's doable, but raises serious questions about the professionalism of the organisation.

“Industry standard tools” can be translated as I’ve been captured and/or a paid shill.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jwagenet »

herbst wrote: post #115
Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

I guess i am not the only one who actually likes that Gimp is the same software I got used to many years ago just a lot better. No need to relearn anytime I have to edit something.

I think there is room for both approaches. Like it or not, photoshop/adobe is the defacto standard everything else is measured from. A compatibility layer like Inkscape does for illustrator has for PS-like behavior is welcome to bring “industry” users in the fold.

My primary use case for gimp is using path and selection tools for removing backgrounds and the UI and shortcuts in gimp are painful coming from a decade of adobe use.

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