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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by SoftwareMaven » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:48 PM UTC

lambada wrote: post #40

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

Given this wasn't related to the RIAA/MPAA (given that this wasn't a US case), I wouldn't lay the blame directly at their door.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that most (if not all) of the copyright insanity worldwide stems from the RIAA/MPAA. It would be willing to bet a lot that if they became sane, most of the rest of the world would, too.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by AlexandrB » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:05 PM UTC

Cieplak wrote: post #76

AlexandrB wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Figuring out which labels are and are not RIAA affiliated has become more difficult in recent years. My former go-to place for this information, riaa radar, no longer exists, and the RIAA members page ( http://riaa.com/aboutus.php?content_selector=aboutus_members ) is of questionable accuracy. For example, until recently Matador records was listed as a member. I emailed Matador and they basically told me that RIAA ke…

It is also possible that Matador does belong to the group but has told you they do not.

That's true. This only supports my point thought. Finding out which music is RIAA-controlled is very difficult, if not impossible.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by algorias » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:24 PM UTC

aes256 wrote: post #65

gingerjoos wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

> If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Unfortunately this is the last thing on artists' minds when they're about to sign a deal with a record label, and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

That's true, but established artists might have some leverage. If they get fed up enough, they will start looking for alternatives.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by chacham15 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:43 PM UTC

dalore wrote: post #47

netcan wrote: post #17

How do these NDAs work? Can they really demand that you pay them money and not tell anyone? Seems pretty creepy.

They can demand anything they want. You don't have to give into demands. For instance, I demand you give me some money.

Not exactly, a contract must bind both parties to do something. You cant have a contract which states "you give me money and you dont say anything about it." It must also bond the other side: "and in return I will not sue you for piracy committed on the date of..."

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by ghostDancer » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:48 PM UTC

lambada wrote: post #40

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

Given this wasn't related to the RIAA/MPAA (given that this wasn't a US case), I wouldn't lay the blame directly at their door.

The copyright laws in Spain have been modified from pressures made by the US government ,in fact Joe Biden on behalf of RIAA/MPAA, even threatening with commercial sanctions. I think we can extrapolate those pressures to the rest of the world. It was known as the Biden-Sinde law, now it has changed to Sinde-Wert (name of the ministers who obeyed the orders as seen in wikileaks).

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by kevinAlbs » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:52 PM UTC

gavanwoolery wrote: post #2

I'm not going to lie, this might be the best headline ever.

I thought the same thing. Although it is unsettling to see how copyright infringement is turning into witch hunts this was still probably the funniest thing I've read all day.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by dalore » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 5:57 PM UTC

chacham15 wrote: post #94

dalore wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can demand anything they want. You don't have to give into demands. For instance, I demand you give me some money.

Not exactly, a contract must bind both parties to do something. You cant have a contract which states "you give me money and you dont say anything about it." It must also bond the other side: "and in return I will not sue you for piracy committed on the date of..."

A contract is a list of demands (amongst other things). It can't be enforced until you agree to the contract. Until then it's just a demand.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by csense » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 6:04 PM UTC

gingerjoos wrote: post #50

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

Maybe people will stop buying music from the MAFIAA

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by mannjani » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 6:10 PM UTC

Where the hell is the world going?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by csense » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 6:14 PM UTC

Zenst wrote: post #42

Just as worrying is the level of IT the people who take the laptop and other IT equipment away actualy have. They could image the laptop, but no they take it away, leave it in a pile for months and then return it knowing full well that any data is not biometricaly tagged with any individual and as such a good lawyer would stamp all over it. TCP/IP in effect could be deemed entrapment in how it works. Sad thing is I h…

It's probably more the police mentality of "they're suspects, they must be guilty, we know if we can't prove it in court they'll get off, so let's do everything in our power to make their lives as crappy as possible."

Including tying up stuff they know the family needs as "evidence" as long as they think can get away with, returning it in as poor a state as they think they can get away with...and the guy's already admitted EUR 600 will put him out of Christmas, they know there's no way he can afford to sue the police, all his money will be spent on his legal troubles with the MAFIAA...