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Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by DanBC »

icebraining wrote: post #36
DanBC wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly. Perhaps I needed a bit more clarification: "Downloading music that should be paid for, and not paying for it, is wrong if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not is wrong. Most people would make an exception for format shifting. EG you own a CD and download a pirate MP3. In theory this needs to be paid for (and is included in law in some areas) but in practice it's n…

should be be paid for Who decides that, and what gives it the moral authority to do so?

Ideally the people creating the content, but realistically the people distributing that content for the creators.

cstross makes good points about all the other people involved in publishing - especially editors. I'm not sure this argument is as strong for music, but maybe I'm wrong.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by jeremyjh »

philbarr wrote: post #52
DiabloD3 wrote: post #5

I imagine the death throes of this dying industry are going to get worse before it gets better.

Yes, it's always seemed odd to me, from a moral point of view, that it's perfectly fine for them to copy music easily (and hence make huge profits) but it's not ok for us to copy music. If you look at the history of the music business, musicians used to not make very much money and only got paid for gigs. If you were good you could ask for more from your punters per gig, and if you were REALLY good you could hold con…

That is still how it is for nearly all musicians. Even a platinum record will not make as much money as the accompanying tour for many bands.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by pyre »

aes256 wrote: post #66
ZoFreX wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would guess that they seized all of the computers in the house. Where I live (the UK), that seems to be SOP for crimes involving computers - they take your computers, gaming consoles, ipods... Oh, and you don't get them back.

Once investigations are complete you should have your property returned. As absurd as it sounds, it does make sense to seize all property capable of storing data, and that includes games consoles, iPods, etc.

  > Once investigations are complete you should
  > have your property returned.
1. If they police never end up charging him, they will tend to keep the equipment indefinitely[1] 'just in case' they need to use it to charge him in the future. Even if they determined that no crime was committed.

2. There is a high likelihood of the equipment being returned in pieces with him having no recourse to sue the police for damages because they were broken 'during the course of the investigation.' Or maybe they were 'logged in as broken' even though they left his house in working order.

[1]: There also exists a high likelihood that they may 'walk out' of evidence and magically turn up in the hands of friends/family of police who are none-the-wiser about where it came from.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by potkor »

shusso wrote: post #64

I've thought that in Finland the reason to get a search warrant needs that the minimum punishment for the crime is 6mo in jail. When did the punishment for copyright infringement went from fines to jailtime :O Or am I missing here something..

When they last revised the criminal law wrt copyright. It's actually a triply evil twist. First (1) new law says that only for the criminal form can you get jail time, and you need to be making a profit to turn it from a minor offense to a crime. Then (2) they the added in the last paragraph of the relevant section that if a computer network is involved and there's "significant damage" to the rightholder, it's also the criminal form. And then (3) the courts made it the sentencing practice that it's "significant damage" even in cases like this.

link (finnish):http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#e-53 chapter 49 last paragraph

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by Cieplak »

AlexandrB wrote: post #68
antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

Figuring out which labels are and are not RIAA affiliated has become more difficult in recent years. My former go-to place for this information, riaa radar, no longer exists, and the RIAA members page ( http://riaa.com/aboutus.php?content_selector=aboutus_members ) is of questionable accuracy. For example, until recently Matador records was listed as a member. I emailed Matador and they basically told me that RIAA ke…

It is also possible that Matador does belong to the group but has told you they do not.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by netcan »

DanBC wrote: post #51
netcan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You're talking about morally wrong. I'm talking about legally, technically, wrong.

I see. My mistake then.

WHen people say "wrong" I assume morally wrong as opposed to illegal. But legally I'm pretty sure it's "wrong" to download songs to hear them before you buy a CD too.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by potkor »

gingerjoos wrote: post #50
ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

I'm wondering if the backlash might actually be a good thing. If this sort of backlash becomes common, there will be a disincentive for artists to sign up with records who indulge in such nonsense. Perhaps the system will adapt such that prosecutions like this would be eliminated.

Latest spin from the .fi copyright mafia is "this demonstrates how we need legislation enabling softer measures for enforcement", cue 3 strikes etc badness.
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