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Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by chris_wot »

lelandbatey wrote: post #7

I really don't like the sensationalist "pull at the heart strings", vibe in this title. I it feels a bit misleading and over-dramatized just to cause controversy. I get what they're trying to say, I but there has to be a better way to say it.

I wasn't sad, I was laughing! I mean, come on. Pirates cause organised crime to flourish and terrorists to be financed, right? What a dastedly 9 year old, with her Winnie the Pooh laptop!

Incidentally, I'm sort of interested where you can get a Winnie the Pooh laptop as I have a 5 year old daughter.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by kijin »

DanBC wrote: post #11

The age of criminal responsibility in Finland is 15. So I'm at a loss at what is going to happen to this 9 year old girl. Certainly downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But there are much better ways of dealing with this than sending in the police. And justice needs to be public. (With a few rare exceptions). Forcing people to sign NDAs is creepy and weird. I'd be interested to know what would have happe…

I don't think this happened because the girl downloaded music. She got into trouble because she used BitTorrent which, by default, makes you upload everything you download. The MAFIAA goes after uploaders, not downloaders. If the girl had used something like MegaUpload to download all her music, all her troubles would never have happened.

Therefore, I don't think it would change anything (from a legal point of view, although IANAL) if the father could show receipts for the actual CD. If the girl ripped a CD and put it up on BitTorrent, that would still be illegal regardless of whether she paid for the CD.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by esolyt »

netcan wrote: post #26
DanBC wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly. Perhaps I needed a bit more clarification: "Downloading music that should be paid for, and not paying for it, is wrong if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not is wrong. Most people would make an exception for format shifting. EG you own a CD and download a pirate MP3. In theory this needs to be paid for (and is included in law in some areas) but in practice it's n…

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You have a point. But if you prefer listening on your iPod, you would buy the MP3 instead of a physical CD.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by mtgx »

lelandbatey wrote: post #7

I really don't like the sensationalist "pull at the heart strings", vibe in this title. I it feels a bit misleading and over-dramatized just to cause controversy. I get what they're trying to say, I but there has to be a better way to say it.

It's meant to mock the local RIAA and the copyright enforcement culture in general, and point at how ridiculous it has become. Maybe this way more people will hear about it, and then will start caring about it as well.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by icebraining »

DanBC wrote: post #20
netcan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly?

Certainly. Perhaps I needed a bit more clarification: "Downloading music that should be paid for, and not paying for it, is wrong if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not is wrong. Most people would make an exception for format shifting. EG you own a CD and download a pirate MP3. In theory this needs to be paid for (and is included in law in some areas) but in practice it's n…

should be be paid for

Who decides that, and what gives it the moral authority to do so?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by icebraining »

esolyt wrote: post #33
netcan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You have a point. But if you prefer listening on your iPod, you would buy the MP3 instead of a physical CD.

That depends on whether the music exists in MP3 format, though. Until yesterday, there was no AC/DC on online music stores like iTunes.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by madaxe »

They should execute this filthy pirate. She is clearly single-handedly responsible for all poor music sales in at least the last 15 years.

Wait, no, this is utterly irrational and harms the MAFIAA's cause. I say bring on more lawsuits against neonates, foeti and octogenarians - they'll scupper their own cause pretty swiftly as they lampoon themselves.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by mylittlepony »

c1sc0 wrote: post #23
polymatter wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL but I expect they will pin it on the father on the basis that he paid for internet access and therefore responsible.

at least over here in Germany it has been ruled that the parents can't be blamed for their children's internet use. If all else fails, blame it on the kids ;-)

Until what age would they be considered children for this ruling?

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by lambada »

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

Given this wasn't related to the RIAA/MPAA (given that this wasn't a US case), I wouldn't lay the blame directly at their door.
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