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Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by LoganDark »

korse wrote: post #39
Netcob wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a theory that the modern world would not exist without it.

>Yeah and we'd be better off. The modern world is quantifiably worse than the world we had even 10 years ago. That includes everything in software development and computer science. Rather than killing this comment, how about we discuss quantification? I actually feel this way too but do not talk about it too much and sort of boil it down to a combination of advancing in age + yelling at clouds and "Stop putting compu…

I feel there's reason to believe autism is one of the reasons why bits of goodness and democracy are still hanging on so tightly even in the midst of such a depressing present. (Search term: "positive nonconformity")

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by MattCruikshank »

Rohansi wrote: post #24
MattCruikshank wrote: post #16

I'm so continuously confused why Minecraft doesn't have a show-off mode where a team of people can build something, and then someone else can spectate it, without causing undue server load. I should be able to give you a URL to some location, and when you click it, it opens up Minecraft, streams the blocks, and you're viewing it. minecraft://server/loc?w=0&x=0&y=0&z=0 w is the overworld, nether, end, etc. And if you…

> I should be able to give you a URL to some location, and when you click it, it opens up Minecraft, streams the blocks, and you're viewing it. > minecraft://server/loc?w=0&x=0&y=0&z=0 Probably no real reason why not... but I think it'd make more sense to take a snapshot, upload, and then have it viewable on the web. > And if you want to set up a server where you and your friends can interact with each other and make…

> How is this different from just loading your world in a server and having your friends join?

Because player location, inventory, actions, are all load on the server. That's why servers have player limits.

> BitTorrent isn't going to work.

You and I are talking about different things. I'm talking about serving up the raw blocks alone.

And yes, I know, Minecraft servers don't support static file serving, or streaming from another source, or copy-on-write. I'm saying these are all nearly trivial to implement.

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by firtoz »

arboles wrote: post #50

> Providing a Torrent for this amount of data is not easy whatsoever. We are currently working on creating a Torrent that includes all data, but this may take a few weeks. What do they mean by this? I understand that it would be a download on the order of 26TiB (if we extrapolate from the recent 200k^2 download, which is a ~1TiB torrent[1]). If bandwidth costs are the issue (certainly it's an issue) they could thrott…

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Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by lunar_rover »

MattCruikshank wrote: post #16

I'm so continuously confused why Minecraft doesn't have a show-off mode where a team of people can build something, and then someone else can spectate it, without causing undue server load. I should be able to give you a URL to some location, and when you click it, it opens up Minecraft, streams the blocks, and you're viewing it. minecraft://server/loc?w=0&x=0&y=0&z=0 w is the overworld, nether, end, etc. And if you…

> I'm so continuously confused why Minecraft doesn't have a show-off mode where a team of people can build something, and then someone else can spectate it, without causing undue server load.

You'll be confused by Minecraft in general then. Mojang's core team seems like they never changed a bit in all these years despite becoming a billion dollar studio, for better or for worse. Last time I played it, mods can still make the game run twice as fast.

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by Eduard »

arboles wrote: post #50

> Providing a Torrent for this amount of data is not easy whatsoever. We are currently working on creating a Torrent that includes all data, but this may take a few weeks. What do they mean by this? I understand that it would be a download on the order of 26TiB (if we extrapolate from the recent 200k^2 download, which is a ~1TiB torrent[1]). If bandwidth costs are the issue (certainly it's an issue) they could thrott…

to my understanding, the 2b2t map has a size of 80 terabytes.

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by pavel_lishin »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #41
Netcob wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a theory that the modern world would not exist without it.

I don't think this is even sarcastic. There are some theories that Autism was more useful in the wilderness. More adapted to the old world, not the modern world.

The Percy Jackson series posited that in their magical world, ADHD is actually a strength on the battlefield, not a weakness.

I wonder what a book series that tried to do that with autism would look like.

(I can think of exactly one book where autism - or something close enough to it - was treated as a serious "what if" plot device, but I don't want to name it because it is a little bit of a spoiler, I guess.)

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by arboles »

Eduard wrote: post #55
arboles wrote: post #50

> Providing a Torrent for this amount of data is not easy whatsoever. We are currently working on creating a Torrent that includes all data, but this may take a few weeks. What do they mean by this? I understand that it would be a download on the order of 26TiB (if we extrapolate from the recent 200k^2 download, which is a ~1TiB torrent[1]). If bandwidth costs are the issue (certainly it's an issue) they could thrott…

to my understanding, the 2b2t map has a size of 80 terabytes.

They didn't scrape the entire map. A minecraft map is 30 million blocks^2

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by bstsb »

DefineOutside wrote: post #45
Tiberium wrote: post #3

2B2T really has an extremely interesting and long history, and some of the most interesting exploits/security vulnerabilities found just for it, for example https://2b2t.miraheze.org/wiki/Nocom where the attackers had a blunt server DoS and through it influenced the server owner to report it to PaperMC, and the fix for the DoS gave them ability to track other players just as they had hoped. > In July 2018, 0x22 and B…

People have also tried to create merge requests into my plugin to reintroduce the issue into 2B2T. https://github.com/GrimAnticheat/Grim/pull/1131

that is quite funny, tbf. looks like the person who opened is friends with eva, a member of "server scanning inc" [1] so they thought it was worth a shot

[1] https://eva.ac/

Re: 1024000^2 Blocks, 2B2T Minecraft Server World Download Project, and Discoveries

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Post by bombcar »

jdw64 wrote: post #57

Does anyone happen to have world data from a Minecraft survival server? Could you please share it with me? It would be great if it has some player history included. I'm trying to gather about 10 of them, but it's not easy.

What kind of things are you looking for? Reach out to Pixlriffs, he has world downloads of his Survival Guide servers and likely access to the HermitCraft ones, too.
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