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Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by zemvpferreira »

mbgerring wrote: post #114

Can someone in this thread who says “the kids must be wrong” give an actual optimistic case for AI? Because as far as I understand it, the “optimist” case for AI is that LLMs become God and wipe out human life as we know it entirely, and replace it with a transcendent post-human intelligence. And in the meantime, we’ll have a permanent underclass that will be kept alive on some kind of subsistence UBI. That seems to…

Sure. The machine gods are benevolent gods who care deeply for their creator-species. We are freed from labour and troubles into a paradise, to eat peaches and cream and make love under the sun. Rich or poor, we'll all be emperors of our domain, free to do as we please. Our lives keep getting better and better with technological progress, at least in the scope of our social-capitalist system. They will only get better until they end.

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by deadbabe »

rdtsc wrote: post #55

> “If you’d let me make this point, please —” Schmidt said amid boos. “The point I’d like to make is choose a diversity of perspectives, including the perspective of the immigrant who has so often been the person who came to this country and made it better. America is at its best when we are the country that ambitious people want to come to. Let us not lose that.” How does that tie in? You have to like AI because of…

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Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by mbgerring »

echelon wrote: post #126
mbgerring wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people running these companies give interviews every few months where they gleefully proclaim that AI will eliminate thousands of jobs. The people building this technology are the ones creating the hatred you’re seeing.

> The people running these companies give interviews every few months where the gleefully proclaim that AI will eliminate thousands of jobs. That was not the original narrative by any company. I was here ten years ago when WaveNet and DeepDream were first published. The media started shitting on this stuff immediately. DALL-E and Midjourney were not describing themselves as artist destroyers. GPT-3 was not hailed as…

I am a working artist. Professional visual artists were furious about DALL-E and Midjourney immediately. If you didn’t see this, or you weren’t aware of it, it’s a self-selection problem.

Sam Altman was talking about how we neeeed UBI because AI was going to take everyone’s job very early in the development of LLMs. I have no idea why you don’t remember that, but it’s in writing everywhere.

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by Applejinx »

mbgerring wrote: post #114

Can someone in this thread who says “the kids must be wrong” give an actual optimistic case for AI? Because as far as I understand it, the “optimist” case for AI is that LLMs become God and wipe out human life as we know it entirely, and replace it with a transcendent post-human intelligence. And in the meantime, we’ll have a permanent underclass that will be kept alive on some kind of subsistence UBI. That seems to…

Nonsense. Nobody's gonna bother with the subsistence UBI.

This is what bugs people. We can tell the part they're bullshitting about is the promise of a subsistence UBI. No wonder people boo.

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by mapcars »

ramon156 wrote: post #26
WilcoKruijer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this a weird comment. Isn't this the same kind of out of touch? I could write: > Kind of goes to show how out of touch and insular the Hackernews commenter sphere can be. Almost everyone I interact with in reality loves LLMs and their touted trajectory. And it would hold mostly true for me. This goes to show we should all be aware of our respective bubbles.

Imo there's a priority you should have for the generation below you. Just like how you clean up for your next week's self, you clean up for the next generation. Make sure you don't leave the world on fire before you dip. Two generations have failed at this, now's your chance to break the streak. But maybe I'm just a hippie, who knows.

I see AI exactly as what will help future generations, the possibilities it provides in terms of learning, research, analysis are huge.

It confusing to me how people complain about jobs - there is no guarantee that any job will be there forever, there is no guarantee that current social and economic model will be there forever, things always change, you have to adapt, there is no other way.

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by swader999 »

cj wrote: post #6
davemp wrote: post #3

Kind of goes to show how out of touch and insular the tech exec sphere can be. Almost everyone I interact with in reality has a deep distain for LLMs and their touted trajectory.

> Schmidt then drew a parallel between artificial intelligence and the transformative impact of the computer — and was immediately met with boos. That's a shame. I assume the reason for the "deep distain" is rooted in fear of change, fear that LLM will make it harder to have a successful career. That's a pretty negative mindset to have as a college grad just entering the workforce. I'm not an AI fan boy, but we can't…

It's it fear or anger?

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by mbgerring »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #131
mbgerring wrote: post #114

Can someone in this thread who says “the kids must be wrong” give an actual optimistic case for AI? Because as far as I understand it, the “optimist” case for AI is that LLMs become God and wipe out human life as we know it entirely, and replace it with a transcendent post-human intelligence. And in the meantime, we’ll have a permanent underclass that will be kept alive on some kind of subsistence UBI. That seems to…

Sure. The machine gods are benevolent gods who care deeply for their creator-species. We are freed from labour and troubles into a paradise, to eat peaches and cream and make love under the sun. Rich or poor, we'll all be emperors of our domain, free to do as we please. Our lives keep getting better and better with technological progress, at least in the scope of our social-capitalist system. They will only get bette…

I need you to understand that if you actually believe this, normal people think you are an evil lunatic.

Re: Eric Schmidt speech about AI booed during graduation

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Post by forgotaccount3 »

wincy wrote: post #19
davemp wrote: post #3

Kind of goes to show how out of touch and insular the tech exec sphere can be. Almost everyone I interact with in reality has a deep distain for LLMs and their touted trajectory.

So who has driven the 1000x increased usage of AI in the past year or two? My mother is in her 60s and uses Gemini every day. These data centers aren’t being built for no reason.

> My mother is in her 60s and uses Gemini every day.

If your mother is at all like my mother, she isn't burning through nearly as many tokens as developers who are utilizing AI effectively.

Datacenters aren't being built for the handful of people using a hundred or two tokens a month but the fields where each user is utilizing 10k+

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