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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by vidarh »

augment_me wrote: post #65
altmanaltman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand Photoshop and its business if you think people are replacing it with ChatGPT or Gemini... the point of the article is that the whole "SaaS is dead and AI killed it" media narrative is bs propelled by the ai hype cycle.

And the point of the comment you are answering is that the market you are talking about has taken on a different form. The difference is that normally, people would perhaps pay a company to buy a PS license, or pay a professional to edit their images, however now this market segment will just use VLMs to edit the image to what they need.

It goes beyond that. It's becoming cheaper and easier to e.g. vibecode tools to carry out the handful of uses lower end users may have for PS. Some users will do that directly. Some users will turn that into services or apps. PS will be weakened by thousands of small cuts, not one large vibecoded abomination.

Some of those tools will use VLMs to provide more advanced features instead of implementing it themselves, making competing for a broader subset of users feasible.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

Is the author saying that people are accusing "handmade" apps of being vibecoded?

I read the post, but I find it incoherent.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by alex_smart »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

This is the first time in my life I have ever felt the need of an LLM to understand an article. Even after understanding the overall gist of the article (thanks ChatGPT!), I still can't make head or tail of many sentences and find many questionable choices made in the way the article was structured.

e.g.

>And the accusers never want to address that, because addressing it means admitting the accusation doesn't hold up.

This is the first sentence that introduces the "accuse" word in the article without establishing what the accusation is, who the accusers are or why should the accuser be worried about their claim being spectacularly successful (zero counterexamples). The last part is still not clear to me at all.

Then the article makes a bunch of unestablished claims to the point of becoming straight up ad hominem. No, the senior developers of the world are not asking this question because they don't understand that the requirement gathering, architecting and decision making (level 2 and 3 activities in the nomenclature of the article) - but precisely because of it. Senior developers world over are being pressured into unreasonable expectations around delivery speed by CEOs and other management types. The entire point of "Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?" is to hopefully be able to communicate to these people that the bottleneck hasn't moved, so to expect 10x increase in delivery is entirely unreasonable.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by alex_smart »

embedding-shape wrote: post #98
darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

> I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. That's the tricky part of blog titles, you have to assume 90% of the future commentators doesn't actually read the body nor conclusion, so if your title is the reverse of the argument you're trying to make, or something "fun" like that, you'll have 90% of the commentators misunderstanding what the basics of the article even is abo…

It doesn't help that the article is actually quite poorly written.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by knightabu »

cermicelli wrote: post #47
sinaatalay wrote: post #28

If Photoshop can be vibe coded in a couple of weeks, that's superintelligence. I think of "tokens" as units of intelligence spent on a problem. Producing software like Photoshop, Linux, or Excel literally cost billions of tokens (human intelligence back then, and now both human and artificial intelligence combined). A lot of deep intellectual problems were solved along the way, and the token cost of solving them accu…

Just to be clear, I spent Billions of tokens last month, dick'ing around with AI, do I think it can do my job, sure if I was as checked out as I am feeling being mandated to only use AI for work... Trust me this version of me can't write code better than an LLM. I think even the LLMs from 2 years ago could do as much. Only thing we have solved with LLMs is how to generate code, as in literally converting what you typ…

Same mistakes Indian IT Service firms already did, trusting third-party AI Service providers across every division and department in companies.

Now Open AI and Anthropic are launching own Service firm/wing for maximizing ROI. Direct Competition. Huge Loss for Indian IT Service Firms.

They paid AI providers to Train own automated competition end to end so much so that they are learnt the gaps and how-to own the market by corrections, private IP Source code access and embedded expertise extraction (stopping short of calling it literal corporate espionage, they got all the know-how and especially for modernizing legacy tech and integrations).

They are untrustworthy especially where IP is involved.

Indian and other IT Firms who did not use private self-hosted AI for important things nor monitored the usage and did not train their employees to think what ( or how much) of our institutional knowledge goes out to third-party are already facing trouble.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bayindirh »

christkv wrote: post #104
bayindirh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The preliminary research have found a "downward pressure" in software quality, meaning AI assisted coding is already breaking things. I expect small firms to abandon updates altogether, re-writing the core parts of their code with prompts at every "update".

It's fascinating to be down voted for this lol

We normally don't talk about this much, it really degrades the quality of the discourse, but, all I can say is, sometimes these buttons are used under the influence of emotions, apparently.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by alex_smart »

darkwi11ow wrote: post #119
Retr0id wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly I do not understand what argument is being made

This is what usually happens with LLM assisted writing. Looking at other posts in author blog, they are as well likely written with help and guidance of LLM bot, and also bring feeling of incoherence when read. I'd say this style predates LLM by millenia so it is not really invented by bots. To me it resembles the most the older religious texts and especially oral preaching. Some of attractors in current frontier mod…

That probably explains why I needed an LLM to make sense of it at all.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bradley13 »

stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has.

It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fill in most of the information automatically. It can generate all sorts of reports and summaries. Finally, it looks incredibly professional.

This took him somewhere around 6 months of fiddling with a couple of different AIs in his spare time. He has no plans to commercialize the app - that's not the point. The point is: on his phone, he has an app that he wants, and the satisfaction of having created it himself.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by vga1 »

Same answer as to the question "Where are all the better versions of Photoshop?" before LLMs were a thing.

Everybody (not actually everybody) has wanted one for 20+ years, and almost nobody made it.

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