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Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by pyre »

weisser wrote: post #29
pyre wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bradley Manning is still being tortured in > military prison right now. Until more people consider solitary confinement a form of torture, you're not going to win in-roads with this, as people equate torture with physical violence.

> Bradley Manning was stripped and left naked in his cell for seven hours. This was according to the New York Times[1] in March of 2011 and it took place at the Marine brig in Quantico, Va. Might not be torture by most standards (though personally I think solitary confinement is torture) but I would hardly consider it proper conduct. Also, who can say what really happens at Guantanamo... [1] http://www.nytimes.com/20…

I happen to agree that solitary confinement is a form of torture regardless of whether or not he was stripped and left naked for 7 hours. My point was that the 'average Joe' pictures medieval torture devices (or someone tied to a chair and being beaten), when they hear talk of torture. So trying to claim that he was tortured because he was left naked for a few hours (or is in permanent solitary confinement) isn't going to win over anyone in that respect.

I'd venture that the internal monologue goes something like:

  " Tortured? He's just left in a birthday suit for a bit,
    and doesn't get to socialize. How bad could that be?
    Jack Bauer resists being beaten while tied to a chair
    every other episode, and still has the strength to
    save that day! This Bradley Manning guy is just a
    pussy. "

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by s_henry_paulson »

citricsquid wrote: post #17
barrkel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 24-hour Met stakeout outside the embassy, cost running into the millions, is standard for an arrest warrant?

This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy. If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media pers…

Forget the embassy. This man had an Interpol Red Notice issued because he is wanted for questioning about why he did not wear a condom with someone he had been sleeping with regularly.

Does that sound like standard operating procedure to you?

And what's this "If Assange had gone to Sweden" nonsense. He was in Sweden, in fact he prolonged his stay for a month and a half longer trying to talk to police. They did not even want to interview him.

Now months later they're trying to extradite him back into country.

If you don't find this all suspicious, then you aren't paying attention.

http://justice4assange.com/Prosecution.html

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by alexhektor »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

@ rymith: very interesting that your post is the only one slightly on-topic ;) And I totally agree. We need a president of the internet. I'm serious.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by Vivtek »

bravoyankee wrote: post #25
johnny22 wrote: post #19

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that was never going to happen. I have no idea why anybody would think it would. He is far too public for that.

I wouldn't be so sure. The US government have been doing whatever the hell they want lately, civil liberties and public opinions be damned.

Lately?

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by [deleted] »

MemorableZebra wrote: post #11
cynicalkane wrote: post #5

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From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

What's interesting to note is that Sweden doesn't extradite for political crimes. So, legally, there's nothing that Assange has to worry about. Honestly, the more I looked at it the more I started to wonder if he was just being paranoid.

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Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by pyre »

s_henry_paulson wrote: post #33
citricsquid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy. If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media pers…

Forget the embassy. This man had an Interpol Red Notice issued because he is wanted for questioning about why he did not wear a condom with someone he had been sleeping with regularly. Does that sound like standard operating procedure to you? And what's this "If Assange had gone to Sweden" nonsense. He was in Sweden, in fact he prolonged his stay for a month and a half longer trying to talk to police. They did not ev…

The part I don't understand about this view is why would Sweden be more likely to extradite him to the US than the UK would?

If it is a conspiracy, then I would say that the point is to discredit him and to tie him up dealing with these charges, rather than talking to the media about WikiLeaks.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by vidarh »

MemorableZebra wrote: post #11
cynicalkane wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what is publicly known, there's very little reason to believe Assange raped anyone and the Swedish authorities seem uninterested in questioning Assange, filing charges, or anything besides extraditing him to Sweden for some reason. I don't really want to talk about the details and hijack the thread, but there's something Kafkaesque about how thing shave been handled. The terrifying thing about the case is people…

What's interesting to note is that Sweden doesn't extradite for political crimes. So, legally, there's nothing that Assange has to worry about. Honestly, the more I looked at it the more I started to wonder if he was just being paranoid.

Sweden has in the past illegally handed political asylum seekers over to the CIA without extradition requests, knowing these people would be handed back to the regime they escaped from, to be tortured.

Later Wikileaks released documents that showed that years after this had supposedly been stopped, Swedish military intelligence uncovered that CIA rendition flights were still ongoing, with the cooperation of Swedish airport staff.

So there might not be much for Assange to worry about legally, but that doesn't say much.

He might very well be paranoid, but Sweden hasn't exactly acted in a way that does anything to give someone in his position reasons to trust they'll even follow their own laws.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by bravoyankee »

Vivtek wrote: post #35
bravoyankee wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be so sure. The US government have been doing whatever the hell they want lately, civil liberties and public opinions be damned.

Lately?

There's been a bumper crop of stupid comments on HN this year, but yours should win the county fair.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by Semaphor »

nmridul wrote: post #30
rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

Because, when a smart person comes out in the open, he quickly gets labelled as a new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person. That is the power of the opponents. They are able to manipulate the media outlets better.

Don't know about Stallman but Assange has some ego issues that didn't get smaller with the media attention (though to be fair without his ego he probably wouldn't have survived being the public image of Wikileaks) and Dotcom always was a Grade A scumbag.
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