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Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by rhizome »

citricsquid wrote: post #17
barrkel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 24-hour Met stakeout outside the embassy, cost running into the millions, is standard for an arrest warrant?

This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy. If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media pers…

Are you implying that the police presence was demanded by the media so that they could have a better story, because there was "controversy?" I'm not sure that's a good justification for the use of public resources.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by bravoyankee »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

Then you be the champion. I'm serious (not being sarcastic or anything). Someone else needs to step up to the plate.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by freshhawk »

johnny22 wrote: post #19
freshhawk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than the threat of extradition to the US and a Guantanamo vacation?

that was never going to happen. I have no idea why anybody would think it would. He is far too public for that.

Really?

There is at least one politician, who's name completely escapes me at the moment but she was either a rep in the EU parliament or the swedish one, who confirmed that extradition to the US from Sweden was the entire point of the circus.

And Bradley Manning is still being tortured in military prison right now.

I haven't seen anything to make this seem ridiculous or even unlikely. If he was convicted of treason, as he would be, I can't imagine being public would mean anything other than more media attention.

edit: as pyre pointed out by torture i mean extended solitary confinement. I call it torture because everyone who studies it calls it so. However it is true that people think the hypothetical Joe "ignorant american voter stereotype" Average disagrees. If you feel my use of the word "torture" was unfounded then do look at the literature and read the statements of people who have experienced both extended solitary confinement/sensory deprivation and physical torture. I am very certain you will agree with me afterwards.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by pyre »

rhizome wrote: post #21
citricsquid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been discussed to death, but... it's not the arrest warrant that caused the large police presence, it was the fact that someone that is trying to avoid deportation was using embassy soil to do so, while flaunting it and being in the centre of a large amount of controversy. If Assange had just gone to Sweden like he was expected to then nothing would have happened with the police, if any high value media pers…

Are you implying that the police presence was demanded by the media so that they could have a better story, because there was "controversy?" I'm not sure that's a good justification for the use of public resources.

On a more reasonable note, try:

- "The world is watching, so we better not let him get away."

- "If he uses the embassy to avoid charges in such a public manner, could set a 'dangerous' precedent."

- "The UK will have 'egg on its face' if they let him use this to get away."

- "We need to save face, the world is watching."

- "This guy is pissing me off. I normally wouldn't care too much, but he is flaunting his situation to the media, so I can't back down now."

- etc...

No one is saying that "The Media" specifically called for this sort of action. It's the "eyes of the world" that limit options. If this wasn't all over the news, it would be more likely that they might just let him go, but with the world watching "THEY ARE LETTING A CRIMINAL GET AWAY!!!" would be the next headline were they to let this slide.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by bravoyankee »

johnny22 wrote: post #19
freshhawk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than the threat of extradition to the US and a Guantanamo vacation?

that was never going to happen. I have no idea why anybody would think it would. He is far too public for that.

I wouldn't be so sure. The US government have been doing whatever the hell they want lately, civil liberties and public opinions be damned.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by pyre »

freshhawk wrote: post #23
johnny22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that was never going to happen. I have no idea why anybody would think it would. He is far too public for that.

Really? There is at least one politician, who's name completely escapes me at the moment but she was either a rep in the EU parliament or the swedish one, who confirmed that extradition to the US from Sweden was the entire point of the circus. And Bradley Manning is still being tortured in military prison right now. I haven't seen anything to make this seem ridiculous or even unlikely. If he was convicted of treason,…

  > Bradley Manning is still being tortured in
  > military prison right now.
Until more people consider solitary confinement a form of torture, you're not going to win in-roads with this, as people equate torture with physical violence.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by wololo »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

MLK and Gandhi were real people once too

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-gandhi-nobody-...

http://wagingnonviolence.org/2012/02/gandhi-and-the-dalit-co...

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by mylittlepony »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

You are not helping by unjustly calling him a rapist. In fact, even if he did what's he's being accused of, in most countries wouldn't be considered rape.

If you only read the headlines you are better off not reading news at all.

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by weisser »

pyre wrote: post #26
freshhawk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? There is at least one politician, who's name completely escapes me at the moment but she was either a rep in the EU parliament or the swedish one, who confirmed that extradition to the US from Sweden was the entire point of the circus. And Bradley Manning is still being tortured in military prison right now. I haven't seen anything to make this seem ridiculous or even unlikely. If he was convicted of treason,…

> Bradley Manning is still being tortured in > military prison right now. Until more people consider solitary confinement a form of torture, you're not going to win in-roads with this, as people equate torture with physical violence.

> Bradley Manning was stripped and left naked in his cell for seven hours.

This was according to the New York Times[1] in March of 2011 and it took place at the Marine brig in Quantico, Va.

Might not be torture by most standards (though personally I think solitary confinement is torture) but I would hardly consider it proper conduct.

Also, who can say what really happens at Guantanamo...

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/us/04manning.html

Re: Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

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Post by nmridul »

rymith wrote: post #2

Why are all the people fighting the fights I want to get behind, completely obnoxious? Kim Dotcom, Juian Assange, Richard Stallman, etc... Can't we have a champion for the digital causes with the charisma that exceeds new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person? I'm not asking for MLK or Gandhi, just an average Joe.

Because, when a smart person comes out in the open, he quickly gets labelled as a new money red neck, rapist, or raving homeless person. That is the power of the opponents. They are able to manipulate the media outlets better.
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