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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #873

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I've never had more fun coding, but the key is actually still writing the code yourself. The LLM has terrible judgment but an encyclopedic knowledge and the ability to pick out important details in a sea of information. Their worse use is producing code, but somehow that gets all the energy. Being an LLM babysitter is energy draining and you feel less and less in control. No job is worth being miserable doing somethi…

In my experience, its the opposite. The AI is very good at writing code, but it is unreliable at any kind of design. I use it as a fancy form of autocomplete. I give the broad strokes: "add a method here and change all but this one caller to use the new method", "Apply this design pattern here for this change but don't do this other thing". It completes the task reasonably well and sometimes even remembers to run the…

Can you pro-AI people at least agree on what is it even useful for?

Every thread is endless back-and-forth between the "AI works great and vibe coding is the future" and "no, AI works great as long as you don't vibe code" camps.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #606

Recently I had a request come through to allow finance analysts to vibe code their apps. During a discussion one of the finance managers let the cat out of the bag. Turns out our CFO had met fellow CFOs at a get together. They talked about how each of them were using AI. Our CFO was lagging behind and felt that we need to "accelerate" our usage of AI. He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest.

Things like this make me realize the software engineering 'industry' is not a real industry. There are people who write important software that the world runs on, but they do it outside the 'industry'. A real industry should be responsive to events of nature, or at least the market, not vibes.

> A real industry should be responsive to events of nature, or at least the market, not vibes.

Market is vibes! The price of something at a moment is, for example, what market participants collectively agree what the price of it should be.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Recently I had a request come through to allow finance analysts to vibe code their apps. During a discussion one of the finance managers let the cat out of the bag. Turns out our CFO had met fellow CFOs at a get together. They talked about how each of them were using AI. Our CFO was lagging behind and felt that we need to "accelerate" our usage of AI. He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest.

> He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest. That is an uncharitable interpretation, IMO. The CFO heard of a novel technique used by his peers in other companies, and they reported good results. He wants to try it within his organization too. As an executive, he is paid to (among other things) keep abreast of such developments in the industry and ensure that the organization he is leading is not cau…

Peer-pressure driven management style. Fantastic.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #863

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> $300/day token quota Are companies using per-token billing? Why - is there some reason they can’t buy the $200/mo Claude plan for every employee?

Compliance

I'm pretty sure with AI there is nothing that complies to anything.

Staring with the fact that the whole industry is based on copyright infringement.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

300 a day?? 7K dollars a month? No wonder they need to lay people off!

> No wonder they need to lay people off!

He clearly works at Apple, and they aren't laying people off.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Do you even realize how insane your comment is? "If you aren't donating at least your salary's worth of company money to another company every day, are you even working?"

Used to think exactly like you. That's why I know you all will "get it" eventually. Most companies and orgs are just so far behind the curve.

"Used to think exactly like you until I accepted the love of Jesus, our Savior, in my heart."

No AI believer ever gives any concrete examples or evidence of what they’re doing with all the tokens and how it’s objectively helping them make the world a better place. Even for the shareholders (excluding the shareholders of Anthropic, or course), never mind the rest of us.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Also at a FAANG here. Surprised you don't manage to use $300 in a whole day. It's almost trivial to productively use that much in under an hour. Leadership is not being dumb, at least on this topic. If your token usage is that low, you just aren't using AI that much (even if you think you are.)

I use $30 a day to produce a decent amount of code. Certainly more than we need - thinking about/designing the correct solution/distilling requirements is still the bottleneck. How can you possibly even review $300/day worth of output?

Use expensive models at high effort

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I feel in a really weird position where I both really dislike what AI is doing to the experience and practice of writing code, to the point where I want a job doing literally anything else besides using the computer, but also think that these tools are extremely powerful and only getting better. I think Mitchell's point is well taken -- it's possible for these tools to introduce rotten foundations that will only be f…

> I feel like many in the anti camp have their own kind of reactionary psychosis. You're using psychosis wrong. My literal reality is my entire industry trying to use Ai as an excuse to payoff hundreds of thousands, to millions of American engineers in lieu of outsourcing work overseas. It's having hostile promots to use AI that never truly go away (if you're even given an option to turn off the prompt). It's seeing…

> It's looking in apallment at...

"looking on appalled at..."

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