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The Bun rewrite’s aftermath will provide strong evidence either for or against GP.
That’s like saying “the aftermath of Hiroshima will provide strong evidence either for or against nuclear power scientists”. It’s irrelevant and unrelated.
If nuclear power scientists claimed they had a bomb that could level an entire city, Hiroshima would prove them correct.
vividfrier claims they haven’t written a line of code (implying other employees are similar), and their big company is operating normally. Bun is a big project and the rewrite is entirely LLM-generated. If its development continues normally, it reinforces the claim’s plausibility and proves someone made a large change (rewrite) entirely using AI. If not, it provides strong doubt: either vividfrier’s company is doing something different that avoids Bun’s problems (maybe other employees are still writing code manually), or they’re misleading or lying.
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I've been here since 2008 and I'll say it. Vividfrier is a bot. The people behind the likes of vividfrier are vandals, shitting all over the commons just to get even more than the massive amount they have already been given.
HN was a tremendous resource built by its members and the moderators. In the last year or so a lot of that has been destroyed by people who have no sense of decency. They see deception as a virtue. They call it hustle or whatever. WTF?
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#604You're speaking of my company and I'm forever grateful. I'm afraid to say this out loud internally because I'm afraid of the next round of layoffs and I want to keep my job. So I just keep on shipping at a high pace, building massive cognitive debt and hoping the agents will get so good in near future, that there won't be the need for understanding the codebase.
> hoping the agents will get so good in near future, that there won't be the need for understanding the codebase Agents might get better. But who will own the code and take responsibility for it? The AI agent? The company who created the AI agent? If e.g. a car crashes and does not deploy its airbags because the AI agent made a mistake in the airbag code, will the manufacturer be able to shift the blame to OpenAI or…
The developers signing off on this will be "Human crumple zones" to protect the company from liability. Be very cautious if asked to sign off on anything like this.
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#606Recently I had a request come through to allow finance analysts to vibe code their apps. During a discussion one of the finance managers let the cat out of the bag. Turns out our CFO had met fellow CFOs at a get together. They talked about how each of them were using AI. Our CFO was lagging behind and felt that we need to "accelerate" our usage of AI. He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest.
Things like this make me realize the software engineering 'industry' is not a real industry.
There are people who write important software that the world runs on, but they do it outside the 'industry'.
A real industry should be responsive to events of nature, or at least the market, not vibes.
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Or he's just giving a sane take, one that most people in the Bay Area have by now. Lots of tech companies are doing just fine with purely AI written code at this point. Saying that the quality is getting worse in some immeasurable way (while incidents remain the same) is literally unfalsifiable.
> Lots of tech companies are doing just fine with purely AI written code at this point.
If there are so many, surely you or one of the other AI supporters have a public example?
I’m aware of two examples, although they’re (mostly routine) translation with existing test infrastructure, so easier for an LLM:
- Bun’s rewrite, although we haven’t seen the effects on further development
- Ladybird’s rewrite, which seems to be continuing fine
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Gosh that is a dark pattern! Now we need to be aware of injected opinions to control the narrative.
Injected opinions have existed long before LLMs.
In a way, obvious injected opinions benefit culture, by making formerly-unaware readers skeptical.
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#610Mitchell aches because his career has been solving broadly scoped problems by building a collection of thoughtful primitives for others to extend. LLMs seem to do the opposite but at great speed, and it hurts to watch.
Honestly, I don't get this argument. In my opinion, "a collection of thoughtful primitives for others to extend" is more valuable now, not less. From LLM assisted engineering standpoint a nicely put reusable box with thoughtful interface is an easy win, more so if it is also easily extensible.