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Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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At this point, I am thinking about connecting a stock Android phone to a server and access it via scrcpy from my laptop whenever I need to interact with some stupid app bs that could've just been a website. At least this way I can keep the majority of bloat away from primary communications device.

Or maybe just an android emulator? I wonder if this would actually work...

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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I use a smartphone less than most people. Things I already could not do without a Google or Apple phone: Use some banking apps. In fact I cannot use one banking app I otherwise would because it will only work if you have no non-store apps installed at all. A regulatory requirement to prove my ID without using the mobile app would be a 20 min+ each way drive (plus walking, time doing it etc.) to another town. > The EU…

> EU's age verification app that will only work on attested phones? This is not a single unified front. Multiple battles are ongoing simultaneously. There are strong proponents of anti-monopoly and digital sovereignty in government, just as there are those that want to push for a surveillance state. Here are some recent and non-insignificant things that the EU and UK have required Google and Apple do: - Support "side…

> This is far more effective than trying to hack your device and proclaim "year of linux on android 2030". That doesn't work.

It doesn't work for you. There are lots of people in this thread dailying a Linux device, it's a perfectly valid choice if you're not conjoined at the hip with mobile apps. Your assertion that it helps nobody is obviously dishonest projection.

Now, PostmarketOS won't rescue the billions of apathetic people on the planet, but why should it? Those people will sabotage themselves over and over again for the sake of convenience. Even banning iPhones/Android in your country won't fix the issue, we saw that in China. Your only solution is to advocate for yourself, you can't rely on the greater hacker consciousness to instinctively protect your user experience.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Yeah, and that's utter nonsense. Noone is really stepping up to develop Android beyond repackaging it. If Google decides to remove a feature, GrapheneOS and other forks will end up without it too. If they stop publishing security patches, the forks end up insecure too. It's just like all the Chrome "forks" when ManifestV2 died. None of them survived for more than a few versions until maintainers lost interest. Callin…

Isn't Brave still shipping it?

yes, but only for those extensions that the brave team maintains because all other v2 extensions are likely no longer maintained at all: https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

so in general the problem is not with supporting v2, the problem is that except for a few special extensions that need v2 features there is no point because all those v2 extensions out there will either be ported to v3 or they will be unmaintained.

the maintainers of chrome forks with v2 support lost interest because the developers of v2 extensions stopped maintaining them.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Sounds very much like HarmonyOS. I was just in a Huawei Store and I think from a UI/UX perspective, despite being quite new, it's incredibly slick and leaps ahead in great design and integration within the HarmonyOS ecosystem. Even saw it being used as Laptop OS and Mobile, the convergence is quite applaudable. The kindest was that the store's staff advised against buying the device as it's quite painful to use it wi…

If you're gonna leave the big two, why would you go for a closed source system where they can (and do) commit the same crime against user freedom?

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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The challenge isn't buying it, the challenge is being able to do phone things with it. Nowadays, you can no longer exist in society without a phone. Most things will work but it takes one critical service that doesn't have a viable workaround, and you're forced to buy (and possibly carry) a "mainstream" phone just for that. Banking, government, authentication, postal service and public transit apps are just some of t…

> Nowadays, you can no longer exist in society without a phone Hyperbole doesn’t help. I’m a 44 year old former software engineer now with a modest social media following (100k per platform). I don’t have a phone. I’ve never had a smart phone, last dumb phone gone in 2015. I have to hassle my bank to let me use email instead of SMS for 2FA, and I hand jot notes for driving directions sometimes. Otherwise, I’m immense…

A big issue for me was events that require digital only tickets. I haven't been able to work around that yet.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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1. I don't know any bank that does, but in any case voting with your wallet is always an option. 2., 3., 4. Voting with your wallet once again. 5. That would be illegal in many jurisdictions, some countries even have a centralized systems for doctors to upload documentation (that you access using your ID as an authentication token). 6., 7. Unless the employer provides said smartphone, that would be illegal to require…

Half of the voting with your wallet are blind to the fact that you can't vote anything else. My village has one football team, not N. There's one burger place, not two. For the rest, appealing to legality is pointless, I ain't bringing my family doctor to a tribunal over this, this is real life and me being petty for not wanting to use a phone. Being right years from now is beyond pointless.

Sounds like you have given up without a fight and deserve whatever you get.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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I know I live in Oregon or whatever but a lot of people use cash.

"I live in a place that hasn't seen progress and still uses physical cash." Isn't really useful to those of us who live in places that don't even use cash. Also, I don't really want to go back to using physical cash thanks.

Hasn’t seen progress? Portland has a fantastic transit system and all the amenities you could want from a modern city. Yet cash is common, a few of the best places are even cash only.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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Why does this permeate the HN all the time. You can 100% function without a fucking smartphone. My Dad doesn’t have one, he has zero-to-no trouble going to the bank and paying his bills and just about every other imaginable thing. If there was something he could not do and there were repercussions for it he’d be calling an attorney to rectify the situation. It is crazy to keep reading this over and over on HN, so wei…

Yep, many older people right now don’t have a smart phone and never will. As long as some younger people stay that course we should be fine. Hopefully we’ll see an increase of dumb phone adoption in a growing cohort younger adults. But the FUD spread in threads like this actually spreads misinformation and makes that less likely to happen

And those older people frequently have to ask someone in their life who has a smartphone to assist them. They still need a smartphone to manage modern life they just don’t happen to own the phone they need.

Re: Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

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"I live in a place that hasn't seen progress and still uses physical cash." Isn't really useful to those of us who live in places that don't even use cash. Also, I don't really want to go back to using physical cash thanks.

Hasn’t seen progress? Portland has a fantastic transit system and all the amenities you could want from a modern city. Yet cash is common, a few of the best places are even cash only.

I’ve found more places going cashless in Portland than are cash only. The one cash only place I regularly visited for decades finally gave in and started accepting cards.
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