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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by matt_kantor »

vividfrier wrote: post #627
32as01 wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Help me understand how your above comment[0] squares with your previous one[1].

Above, you said:

> We still require a code review for any change

And:

> We don't really vibe though. At least I don't. I see it more as comment driven development. I need to understand the code and what I want to achieve where in the codebase

But in your previous comment, you said:

> since I'm no longer looking at code

And:

> Branches are now irrelevant

How can all of these things be true?

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48156996

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47713557

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by leesalminen »

pmontra wrote: post #425
impulser_ wrote: post #48

I'm pretty sure he's talking about companies and people outsourcing their decision making and thinking to AI and not really about using AI itself. I don't think using AI to write code is AI psychosis or bad at all, but if you just prompt the AI and believe what it tell you then you have AI psychosis. You see this a lot with financial people and VC on twitter. They literally post screenshots of ChatGPT as their thinki…

What I'm seeing is a little eternal September of support tickets about programs that fail to interface the JSON API of a customer of mine. The API is always allucinated. In the best case there are out of place attributes. Often they don't exist at all. I've seen x, y, width, height when we have only top and left. Of course no human read the documentation. Those are probably founders vibe coding a client without the t…

Create a .tld/llms.txt or some SKILL.md files. When I encounter these tickets I just share links to these resources and the problem goes away.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by rglover »

vividfrier wrote: post #440

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> We don't really vibe though. At least I don't. I see it more as comment driven development.

This is why this feels foreign. Most people don't take this approach (I'd argue it's the correct, rational way to use AI).

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by ex-aws-dude »

w1 wrote: post #679
vividfrier wrote: post #440

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The magnitude of negative responses to this comment is very encouraging. Not because I agree with my sibling comments, but because I strongly agree with the parent, making me think my org and I are much earlier than I thought. :)

Yeah I don’t get it, the parent is a pretty reasonable take

If you still hold code review to the same standard and just make the agent do incremental changes rather than vibing the results are pretty good.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by skywhopper »

tossandthrow wrote: post #612

I don't entirely know what rational discussions that can not be had? It seems like he is pointing out that Ai will increase the complexity of a system oblivion, and that this is the discussion that can not be had. Bit I am more than happy to talk about how I am using Ai to reduce complexity and remove architectural debt that I otherwise could not justify spending time on.

So it sounds like he’s not talking about you. He’s talking about people who actively choose to ignore complexity risk and refuse to have a rational discussion about it because they believe AI will always be able to fix it.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by ex-aws-dude »

wrxd wrote: post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

That’s funny I’ve been doing that too

Trying to crank out all the tools I never had time to build because I think we’re going to get cut off eventually

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by popcorncowboy »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #662

I'm just waiting for my current company to have a Sev 1 CritSit so I can document the bejesus out of the root cause and expose our non-technical AI evangelist leadership as the sort of goons most of the senior development staff already suspect. Only by walking us into some revenue or customer impacting failure - through inappropriately having junior devs doing senior level things - will some sense of sanity start to…

Oh man, if only. The top brass driving this screaming frenzied MORE AI crusade will never face the firing line no matter what happens. It will either be a) "mistakes were made" and nobody is really at fault because we're all trying to change the world or fellate the future or whatever the line is, or b) James, Sam, Jesse, and the rest of Team B (none of whom are truly top brass) are getting fired out of a cannon into the sun as a warning to the rest of the plebs.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

skydhash wrote: post #458
suzzer99 wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had to do a ton of SQL stuff lately, which I haven’t really worked with since the late 90s. ChatGPT has been a godsend, not just for me, but for our only coworker who knows SQL well, whom I’d probably be bugging several times a day at my wits’ end. But no one cares about those kinds of productivity gains. Just the ones that will completely replace us.

I'm always amazed by those comments. Why couldn't you buy a book on SQL[0], and spend a week on it? Or just go over to YouTube for a refresher? [0]: Like https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/sql-queries-for/9780134...

Simple, because books don't earn OpenAI and Anthropic a dime.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by popcorncowboy »

consumer451 wrote: post #347
foxfired wrote: post #260

Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field. Right know, prompters are setting up whole company infrastructure. I personally know one. He migrated the companies database to a newer Postgres version. He was successful in the end, but I was gnawing my teeth when he described every step of the process. It sounded like "And then, I poured gasoline on the servers while smoking a cigarette.…

> Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field. Oh man, I think you may have touched the third rail here. My first job out of high school was as an AutoCAD/network admin at a large Civil & Structural firm. I later got further into tech, but after my initial experience with real Engineering, "software engineering" always made my eyes roll. Without real enforced standards, without consequ…

What makes it a profession is not just the certification, it's the burden of responsibility for consequences. Your lawyer, accountant, and real engineers carry "we need insurance for this" level of risk in their work, all the way up to "can go to prison for getting things really wrong".

Until and unless software is held to that standard, software will never be engineering and always just a craft that can be performed to any or no standard.

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