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The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by autoexec »

dostick wrote: post #145
cyberax wrote: post #64

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> The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance. The thing is, drugs are addictive. ESPECIALLY meth. How would you prevent people from just getting as much as they want and then becoming drug zombies? Fentanyl is similar. Cartels perfected its production, so now it's pure and widely available. It's even worse than meth in some rega…

Drugs are not addictive in a sense that they make person to go out and buy more. The only thing about drugs is that they are the best thing in that person’s life at the moment. Blaming drugs is as outdated as blaming npm package for vulnerability that some bad actor pushed into it.

> Drugs are not addictive in a sense that they make person to go out and buy more.

Some are. Your life could be better than it's ever been but if you've got a physiological dependence on a drug and don't have enough of it in your system you're going to have a very very bad time until you get more. Some drugs will even kill you if you fail to get more and you need to be carefully weaned off them before you can stop taking it.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by easyKL »

thrownthatway wrote: post #85
hash872 wrote: post #34

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>The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance Famously, the US spent about 15-20 years attempting this with opioids. They were widely available to people via a pseudo-medical process, or via secondhand dealing. Opioids were/are manufactured by regulated, publicly traded companies with inspectors who controlled purity and productio…

There are 193 countries, plus the Holy See.

Map Men: There are NOT 195 countries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nB688xBYdY

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by jona-f »

nswango wrote: post #148
jona-f wrote: post #100

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It's a pretty bad drug, I can see only disadvantages over plain amphetamine. If amphetamine isn't strong enough, you already have a serious problem. I'm not saying that criminalization is the right way, just that I don't see a responsible recreational/performance use for methamphetamine. It's too strong and too toxic. The regulation should permit only use for addiction management imho. Also, the long history is not e…

Does history record whether Hitler was using the good ol' giggles-and-joy pseudoephedrine meth or the evil psychosis-inducing P2P biker meth?

I think they were using the racemate. But your "giggles-and-joy" framing of meth is bullshit. Not sleeping for 3 days is psychosis-inducing no matter how you achieve that and methamphetamine is much more neurotoxic than amphetamine no matter which enantiomere.

Re: The main thing about P2P meth is that there's so much of it (2021)

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Post by ck45 »

tormeh wrote: post #128
ck45 wrote: post #121

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It’s not, the BtmG literally means narcotics drugs act. https://www.bfarm.de/EN/Federal-Opium-Agency/Narcotic-drugs/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotic_Drugs_Act

The meaning has drifted, appropriately enough. Betäubungsmittel originally meant painkillers, as you can tell from the word. It's just that now every recreational drug is labeled as such.

You seem to be confusing the words "Schmerzmittel" (analgesic, pain killer) and "Betäubungsmittel" (narcotic). Those two classes of substances are not the same.

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Post by 0bytes »

ck45 wrote: post #154
tormeh wrote: post #128

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The meaning has drifted, appropriately enough. Betäubungsmittel originally meant painkillers, as you can tell from the word. It's just that now every recreational drug is labeled as such.

You seem to be confusing the words "Schmerzmittel" (analgesic, pain killer) and "Betäubungsmittel" (narcotic). Those two classes of substances are not the same.

It can also mean anesthetics, which coincidentally would include cocaine as a strong local anesthetic, but not a narcotic in the pharmacological sense.

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Post by stymaar »

hash872 wrote: post #34
keepamovin wrote: post #10

The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents. All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use. The gover…

>The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance Famously, the US spent about 15-20 years attempting this with opioids. They were widely available to people via a pseudo-medical process, or via secondhand dealing. Opioids were/are manufactured by regulated, publicly traded companies with inspectors who controlled purity and productio…

WTF.

This is complete nonsense.

Opioids have never been made legal for recreational purpose. They were sold as painkillers by pharma corporations lying about their addictive effects and promoted through marketing campaign targeting doctors to prescribe them.

I has nothing to do with the topic of recreational drugs.

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Post by cluckindan »

nswango wrote: post #127
chadgpt3 wrote: post #101

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What if they were legal but hard to get? Say, we stop/arresting for possession or use in private, stop giving dealers and producers harsh sentences, but still give them moderate to weak sentences, stop proactively searching for dealers and producers, allow companies to produce with strict KYC, and don't allow retail sale in stores?

In California weed is legal but highly regulated. It's easy to buy weed in the legal market but very difficult to be licensed to sell or grow it. The result is that the illegal market dwarfs the legal market. The legal suppliers simply can't compete with efficient and untaxed illegal or grey market sellers. Note that the consumers who choose the illegal market are not in general socially excluded, habitual criminals…

That’s not a feature of legalization, but convenience: illegal weed is easier to get hold of even in places where cannabis is not legalized at all.

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Post by atombender »

ck45 wrote: post #154
tormeh wrote: post #128

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The meaning has drifted, appropriately enough. Betäubungsmittel originally meant painkillers, as you can tell from the word. It's just that now every recreational drug is labeled as such.

You seem to be confusing the words "Schmerzmittel" (analgesic, pain killer) and "Betäubungsmittel" (narcotic). Those two classes of substances are not the same.

"Betäubung" has a similar etymology as "narcotic". Both mean to numb the senses or put to sleep (hence e.g. "narcolepsy"), and in German it's therefore also used for sedatives and anesthetic drugs. In modern use, "narcotic" has also semantically shifted to include any illegal drug, as with "Betäubungsmiddel".

Interestingly, in both cases the semantic shift seems to have been caused by the enactment of laws to control drugs. The legal term these days is probably "controlled substance" in English, but "narcotic" now definitely refers to many drugs that are not medically narcotic.

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