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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by jeremyjh »

pjc50 wrote: post #170
jeremyjh wrote: post #143

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What concerns me about this is that as these stories multiply and circulate people will just completely stop buying software/SAAS from startups, because 90% or more will be this same thing. It will completely kill the market.

Oracle have routinely had multimillion pound contract failures and people keep buying from them. Big vendors are too big to fail.

Those are custom software or heavily customized implementations of ERP and similar systems for very large organizations. I’m talking more about the SMB market where today it’s possible for a small team to carve out a niche and make a nice living or even bootstrap a venture that competes with a large player that has poor UX or antiquated feature designs.

The reason Oracle can continue failing at those massive projects is simple: everyone fails at them routinely and often it’s the customers fault.

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Post by mattmanser »

fooker wrote: post #158
zmmmmm wrote: post #113

I think AI rescue consulting is going to be come a significant mode of high value consulting, similar to specialists who come in to try and deal with a security breach or do data recovery. Purely AI written systems will scale to a point of complexity that no human can ever understand and the defect close rate will taper down and the token burn per defect rate scale up and eventually AI changes will cause on average m…

This might not pan out to be the glorious victory of human craft as you’re imagining it to be. Here’s a slightly different future - these AI rescue consultants are bots too, just trained for this purpose. Plausible? I have already experienced claude 4.7 handle pretty complex refactors without issues. Scale and correctness aren’t even 1% of the issue it was last year. You just have to get the high level design right,…

One AI can't vibe code out of the mess, so you'd make another AI trained on getting out of vibe coded messes?

That's serious levels of circular thinking right there.

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Post by billywhizz »

jeremyjh wrote: post #143
ramoz wrote: post #135

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A non-technical friend of mine has just won some hospital contracts after vibecoding w/ Claude an inventory management solution for them. They gave him access to IT dept servers and he called me extremely lost on how to deploy (cant connect Claude to them) and also frustrated because the app has some sort of interesting data/state issues.

What concerns me about this is that as these stories multiply and circulate people will just completely stop buying software/SAAS from startups, because 90% or more will be this same thing. It will completely kill the market.

> It will completely kill the market.

it will kill all the people in that hospital too

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by apalmer »

I don't think it's helpful to call this psychosis. N Beyond that I don't think it's even irrational.

It is definitely factual that there is a complete paradigm shift in the prioritization of quality in software. It's beyond just AI side effects, and now its own stand alone thing.

There have always been many industries, companies, and products who are low on quality scale but so cheap that it makes good business sense, both for the producer and the consumer.

Definitely many companies are explicitly chosing this business strategy. Definitely also many companies that don't actually realize they are implicitly doing this.

Wether the market will accept the new software quality paradigm or not remains an open question.

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Post by delichon »

blipvert wrote: post #147
singlow wrote: post #139

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However Michael Crichton imagined it would.

I guess that “well” wouldn’t have sold many books.

Shelve it with the Jurassic Park version where John Hammond builds a safe, profitable theme park, and The Andromeda Strain that gives people the sniffles.

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Post by projectazorian »

gopalv wrote: post #60

The AI psychosis is not the anti-opinion to the use of AI. I use AI coding tools every day, but AI tools have no concept of the future. The selfish thinking that an engineer has when they think "If this breaks in prod, I won't be able to fix it. And they'll page me at 3AM" we've relied on to build stable systems. The general laziness of looking for a perfect library on CPAN so that I don't have to do this work (often…

> I use AI coding tools every day, but AI tools have no concept of the future. The selfish thinking that an engineer has when they think "If this breaks in prod, I won't be able to fix it. And they'll page me at 3AM" we've relied on to build stable systems.

Maybe it's just my prompt or something but my coding agent (Opus 4.7 based) says things like "this is the kind of thing that will blow up at 2am six months from now" all the time.

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Post by billywhizz »

kuschku wrote: post #134
alexnewman wrote: post #52

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Ah so it's like 2000 again. Germany will go even farther behind it seems

Germany is standing at the abyss. America is one step ahead.

this is social media induced psychosis my friend

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Post by andai »

elktown wrote: post #106
mitchellh wrote: post #76

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Correct. I use AI a ton and I'm having more fun every day than I ever did before thanks to it (on average, highs are higher, lows are lower). Your characterization is all very accurate. Thank you. Here's some other topics I've written on it: - https://mitchellh.com/writing/my-ai-adoption-journey - https://mitchellh.com/writing/building-block-economy - https://mitchellh.com/writing/simdutf-no-libcxx (complex change th…

I thinking that it’s quite a different experience going all Jackson Pollock with AI in your own studio on your own terms, compared to the sorry state of affairs of having 100s of Pollocks throwing paint around wildly within a corp to meet a paint quota.

Earlier today:

>Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48148337

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Post by andai »

mcmcmc wrote: post #163
mitchellh wrote: post #76

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Correct. I use AI a ton and I'm having more fun every day than I ever did before thanks to it (on average, highs are higher, lows are lower). Your characterization is all very accurate. Thank you. Here's some other topics I've written on it: - https://mitchellh.com/writing/my-ai-adoption-journey - https://mitchellh.com/writing/building-block-economy - https://mitchellh.com/writing/simdutf-no-libcxx (complex change th…

Hi Mitchell. Psychosis is a serious psychiatric condition that can be induced or triggered by AI. “AI psychosis” in this context is a misuse of a clinical term. Your tweet describes a disagreement on a value judgment that boils down to “move fast and break things” with high trust in AI outputs vs going all in on quality and reliability with low trust in AI. It’s an engineering tradeoff like any other. Claiming that t…

Psychosis does not require hallucinations. Delusions are sufficient.

The key factor is losing touch with reality, which results in individual or collective harm.

There is also such a thing as mass psychosis, and those are unfortunately a more difficult situation because the government and corporations are generally the ones driving them, and they are culturally normalized.

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