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Solar-based sleep patterns compared to modern norms

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Re: Solar-based sleep patterns compared to modern norms

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It’s not discrimination man. People (including bank and post office workers) work during 9-5 working hours, so it makes sense that these services are only open during working hours.

You’re reasoning from a presumption that ‘people’ _should_ all work 9-5. Why should they, and their customers, have the same working hours?

No one presumes you 'should' work 9-5, but that is the way it is, and the bank/postal office/whatever employees don't have the option to work evenings. It is the way it is.

Now whether we could have a better system -- Sure! I'm all for a better society. I'm just saying it's not the way it is because of discrimination or some other conspiracy.

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When I first started working as a teenager and later in my 20s, I found it shockingly cruel that I am somehow not supposed to have any work slowdown at all in the early afternoon, and especially not supposed to take even a short rest around 2pm when myself and everyone else's bodies slow down to finish digesting lunch. It's a human rhythm that most of us have, along with the second wind around 3 or 4pm, but we have to pretend every single day that it isn't happening, leading to huge caffeine consumption. Just let me lay my head down for 15 min on my desk ffs!

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same. but, mostly no recall lately. as I go to bed at 2:00 and sleep 6 hours max

Ouch that’s rough. A few nights like that and life just feels hard for me. Gloomy outlook, bad memory etc

Ha !

Slept just 2:50h today according to the fitness tracker. Not my top form.

Many days like that are actually exceptionally nice (given expectations of the contrary).

I look at it as a low energy situation, where the regular ego train of thought gets extinguished.

Had one long, rare moment, where I genuinely enjoyed just being at work, tired. People around, things happening - just enjoying being there.

Wonder how much it had to do with me getting a couple therapy session the day before, having mum flying over to visit for 17th may festivities and listening to a good part of Ram Dass podcast where post-stroke Ram Dass was discussing sth with the host on Skype.

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I think you, the breadwinner, did NOT go to the shops. Your wife did. I don't know when 9-5 started, but it kinds of smacks of the British being that regimented. By contrast, my observation is that MOST of the world's population still works from about an hour after dawn until early afternoon, or sometimes until dusk, depending on their age, job, station in life and the general level of resources they have versus what…

That is not how it worked for most.

The vast majority of the population were farmers of some sort living in tiny villages. The market was open only rarely: perhaps every two weeks, but there is no reason to assume a regular schedule! Market days where what made sense for the village - no market when everyone is harvesting, or when the weather is bad. Everyone knew when that day was and he whole family went to market on together.

Markets were not "craftsmen" with their stalls. There were some traveling traders who worked like that. Often you just knew what you had at home to trade and were just making arrangements.

A set workday/shift is required for several jobs where one person cannot work unless someone else is working too. Assembly lines are an obvious example, which the British seem to have started development on first (though they didn't look anything like Henry Fords assembly line you can see the start of this "The Wealth of the Nations"). Shift work is also required when you all depend on a steam engine - miners can be paid by the ton and thus leave at any time, but as soon as the man running the pump leaves the mine floods and everyone else is forced to stop.

Two cabinet makers in a shop (this implies a large cities to need two cabinet makers in a shop as opposed to journeymen who travel between villages doing work) by contrast only rarely are doing something that needs two people (and often when they do they have an apprentice). They can each leave to go buy something whenever they feel like it. Most jobs would be this style, there is a deadline of when the job needs to be done (sometimes flexible sometimes not), but so long as it is done on time nobody cares when you do it.

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Good thing the servants didn't need food or fridges.

If you weren't that wealthy, you might have part-time servants. If you were wealthy, your servants would eat in their own little dining room in your manor, and shop for food for you and the servants in the same shopping trip

In many cases the correct term is slave. Servants are different and generally treated better. Although slave also comes with a very large spectrum of treatment (it mostly wasn't as bad as your high school history makes it out - bad yes, but not quite that bad)

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I think you, the breadwinner, did NOT go to the shops. Your wife did. I don't know when 9-5 started, but it kinds of smacks of the British being that regimented. By contrast, my observation is that MOST of the world's population still works from about an hour after dawn until early afternoon, or sometimes until dusk, depending on their age, job, station in life and the general level of resources they have versus what…

we both work 9-5, and I the main bread winner and male am the one that does the shopping and cooking.

Cooking was commonly a male activity. Every culture had things a little different, but in nearly every culture there is some point where males are separate from the females for long enough that someone in each group needs to cook. Just hunting for the day means the men need to cook their own lunch. Armies rarely had separate cooks, you generally had some solider at each campfire that would cook.

Mens and Women's work was a thing in most culture, but it was never around cooking. (except possibly there very richest where the men would cook while hunting, but the girls would have servants do it)

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> unbroken and uninterrupted eight hour sleep schedule didn't exist and is in fact, a totally modern invention and a consequence of the rigid 9-5 work schedule > An unbroken eight hours of sleep did not always fit with the cycles of the sky above and sleep was therefore rhythmically polyphasic. I tend to disagree. There is serious literature suggesting this, but to my knowledge no concrete evidence confirms it. In fa…

I have a theory about this, with no data to back it up.

People woke up in the middle of the night a lot in the past because they were so malnourished compared to modern humans. (Excluding people in very poor countries)

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People working night shifts or other odd hours are not functional members of society? WTF? Get mad at your employer. My 9-5 office jobs always allowed me to take an hour or so to run errands that could only be done during work hours.

This flexibility can exist for office jobs, but customer-facing roles typically need somebody present for the whole shift.

Many customer facing rolls either are dealing with dedicated buyers who are paid to work 9-5 as well and so there is no issue (false - but I'll ignore that you customers are often on a different continent)

If the customer is a retail customer in the majority of cases you are open extended hours. Your employees either work a 6-2 shift and so have the evening, or they work 2-10 and have all morning. (often they are working a shorter shift).

The final group are doctors/dentists. Every boss knows you need to take an hour off to see them every few months and makes provision. They have to have this anyway because sometimes people are sick, or die over night. Thus if it is critical for the job that you have people you have extra people around to make up slack.

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You nailed it, commute is the killer. I'm also Spanish, from a very small and rural town. My father is a farmer and does a siesta every day of the year. He comes back at home of working in the farm every day around 1PM, then we have lunch together and he goes on to take a nap (siesta). In winter they are shorter, 30 minutes, as the day is short. In summer, they can go over 1 hour easily, as the day is longer and is h…

> is it's own boss Is his own boss. (And it would be “its” anyway - “it’s” is a contraction for “it is” and is wrong in this context)

My brain translates it from: "su propio" -> "it's own".

Don't ask me why, thanks for the correction

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