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Who Trusts Sam Altman?

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Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?

#21

I've never trusted him, mostly because I find that — in all walks of life — the people sitting atop a pile of billions of other people most likely had to cheat in pretty heinous ways in order to get there.

This is common rhetoric that feels overly reductionist and makes me sad. Sam got fired and his response was to manipulate and pressure his employees into a shameful, cult-like letter, and play the media to character assassinate Toner as being underqualified and stupid. His biggest competitor asks people in the interview process if they’d be willing to give up their Anthropic stock for the good of society. Surely you…

Brother we are speaking on a forum that operates as the furnace of evil. It is not possible to become wealthy by creating value—this is the same logic that made people think alchemy might produce gold from lead.

Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?

#26

I do. He is responsible for one of the major breakthroughs in the world. He is as trustworthy as Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates is. Remember, they are playing the game of Business. The rules of the game are different than say rules of scientific breakthroughs.

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Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?

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Everyone who said they would leave w/ him apparently trust him & that was enough people at the company to make the board members who voted to oust him look like vindictive amateurs.

That’s not proof of trust, they could just have been motivated by greed.

Trust doesn't mean he's a good guy, trust means they were willing to go along w/ whatever decision he was going to make. Meaning, they trusted him to take what they considered was the right course of action for them & whatever current or future company he decided to join.

Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?

#29

I've never trusted him, mostly because I find that — in all walks of life — the people sitting atop a pile of billions of other people most likely had to cheat in pretty heinous ways in order to get there.

This is common rhetoric that feels overly reductionist and makes me sad. Sam got fired and his response was to manipulate and pressure his employees into a shameful, cult-like letter, and play the media to character assassinate Toner as being underqualified and stupid. His biggest competitor asks people in the interview process if they’d be willing to give up their Anthropic stock for the good of society. Surely you…

If you posit that Altman suffers from main character syndrome (as many CEOs do), then he likely believes that he alone can lead OpenAI to success. In this case, doing whatever it takes to get himself back into the job is by definition justified. It's obviously worth stepping on a few toes if the success of the company is at stake.

Anthropic asking hypothetical questions in an interview doesn't seem like a very good signal. Everybody knows what they're supposed to say. If they want an unfakeable signal they should make offers with no equity component.

Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?

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post #20

CEOs are hired to run companies and make themselves, and their investors, wealthy. That is their prime directive and CEOs are the ultimate partisans. If a CEO feels that bending the truth, or outright lying, will advance the prime directive – then that is what they will do. Applying adjectives like "honest" or "untrustworthy" to them is a category error. Altman will say whatever benefits OpenAI, full stop. Musk will…

They have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders & no one else, not even their employees or customers.
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