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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by raffael_de »

pear01 wrote: post #233

It is good to diversify but people should really not make Europe out to be some sanctuary. European governments (and thus companies) are still going to cooperate with America. When the day comes when they do not, America's reach will still be long. Never mind the fact that incentives in Europe are not so different from the USA. It may look that way now, but often moving across the globe just means trading one villain…

For corporations this shift isn't about sanctuaries or ethical questions anyway, but about fear of running into EU road blocks placed for political reasons (maybe to penalize tariffs), long-term EU regulation enforcing data to stay in EU or even fear of retaliatory actions by US against EU economy.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by lefra »

rob74 wrote: post #195

First time I heard about Mistral, so I went to the site. I first thought their logo is a pixel-art letter M. Then I read that their chatbot/agent is called "Le Chat"... wait a minute, that means something different in French? And then I noticed that the logo can also be seen as a cat head (from the whiskers up). Then I scrolled to the end of the page and saw my suspicion confirmed: https://cms.mistral.ai/assets/920e5…

A french with low exposure to english would pronounce "ChatGPT" with the first "t" silent, and it sounds exactly like "Cat, I farted" in french.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by jurgenburgen »

dsl wrote: post #410
embedding-shape wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fear is not "NSA is snooping on our customer data", it's "Trump has a beef with our premiere minister/president, and Jeff Bezos accepted Trumps request to turn off AWS from them" that's the fear. We're far beyond the default assumption that NSA snoops on absolutely everything, and more about protection ourselves from trade wars, tariffs and similar blockages as what Microsoft did with the ICC.

Compelling Microsoft to turn off your Office 365 at least requires Microsoft to be complicit. Sovereign infrastructure didn't protect Venezuela or Iran.

> Sovereign infrastructure didn't protect Venezuela or Iran.

Imagine if the control plane of the Shahed drones were hosted on AWS.

What are you even talking about?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by player1234 »

dsl wrote: post #410
embedding-shape wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fear is not "NSA is snooping on our customer data", it's "Trump has a beef with our premiere minister/president, and Jeff Bezos accepted Trumps request to turn off AWS from them" that's the fear. We're far beyond the default assumption that NSA snoops on absolutely everything, and more about protection ourselves from trade wars, tariffs and similar blockages as what Microsoft did with the ICC.

Compelling Microsoft to turn off your Office 365 at least requires Microsoft to be complicit. Sovereign infrastructure didn't protect Venezuela or Iran.

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by rcarr »

embedding-shape wrote: post #151
TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

How many in your estimation are moving to EU owned vs just EU hosted?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by seydor »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

The funny thing is that the EU will tout this move away from US clouds as one of their successes, even though they have done literally everything to cripple EU tech ecosystem.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by monokai_nl »

dethos wrote: post #259

Nice and succinct article, and the choices seem reasonable and well thought out. My only question is, what are the selling points that made you choose Lettermint over Scaleway TEM? Using TEM seemed obvious at first sight, given the fact that you already use Scaleway for object storage and compute.

To be honest I implemented Lettermint before I migrated to Scaleway, so I didn't even look at TEM. At that point I was more than happy though. And I like to support my fellow Dutch startups too.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by jurgenburgen »

embedding-shape wrote: post #333
rapnie wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely OP refers to individual countries and quarreling leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union.

> leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union If we're talking about leaders for member states, then they're doing their job right :) They're not meant to figure out what's best for the union, we have separate elections for those people who go to EU and represent the country + care about the union. The national "leaders" of the country are quite expected to put national interests abo…

Because of the convoluted way the EU works, those national leaders can have outsized power and even veto some decisions (Hungary, anyone?). The parliament needs to have more power if we want to make the EU more democratic.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by paol_taja »

I like the idea, but I always struggle with the practical side of this.

As a business owner, I don't really care where the company is based on paper if the product is worse, the support is worse, or the ecosystem around it is tiny.

I want better European alternatives, but they need to win on product too.

"Not American" is a decent reason to try something. It is not enough of a reason to keep using it for years.

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