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Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by pjmlp »

cluckindan wrote: post #44
01100011 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like most backward looking judgements these days, such things require understanding the culture and zeitgeist of the mid 70s. I'm pro-nuclear as well, but understand that for many decades the "smart" thing to do was to oppose it. I wouldn't expect a musical artist to have a more nuanced opinion than most of their contemporaries.

More like the robot thing to do. Anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany was entirely manufactured; it was the product of Gerhard Schröder and similar robots who enriched themselves on Russian oil and gas. Ironically, it is also where the so-called Green Party began.

Not at all, we look into Fukushima and Chernobyl as examples of what actual happens when things don't go as the advocates sell it.

And naturally the radio waste is fine as long as we store it into other countries.

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by wolfi1 »

ainch wrote: post #11

I love Kraftwerk, but contributing to anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany hasn't been a major success. If only more European countries had followed the French example and developed substantial nuclear fleets.

nuclear is only cheap, if taxpayers pay for it, if all costs would be considered, nuclear is not cheap

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by aa-jv »

ainch wrote: post #11

I love Kraftwerk, but contributing to anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany hasn't been a major success. If only more European countries had followed the French example and developed substantial nuclear fleets.

Kraftwerk killed nuclear power (Radio-Activity) and promoted petroleum consumption (Autobahn), like the true factory-idol industrialists they are ...

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by account42 »

9dev wrote: post #67
kev009 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A hidden danger of coal is ironically the radioactivity of its waste, which gets put into concrete products and contribute to indoor air quality issues. The paranoia around nuclear power is tied to generational fear mongering of governments during the Cold War. The oddest part is why not use safer reactor designs; water reactors make sense for the US Navy and not on land.

None of you ever manages to answer the waste storage question. That was, and still is, one of the deciding factors in Germany, for example.

Because its an irrelevant problem. The amount of waste nuclear produces is miniscule.

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by RobotToaster »

pjmlp wrote: post #79
ainch wrote: post #11

I love Kraftwerk, but contributing to anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany hasn't been a major success. If only more European countries had followed the French example and developed substantial nuclear fleets.

I just saw the Fukushima documentary over the weekend, no thanks.

Fukushima only killed one person https://ourworldindata.org/what-was-the-death-toll-from-cher...

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by pjmlp »

RobotToaster wrote: post #86
pjmlp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just saw the Fukushima documentary over the weekend, no thanks.

Fukushima only killed one person https://ourworldindata.org/what-was-the-death-toll-from-cher...

"No one died directly from the disaster. However, 40 to 50 people were injured as a result of physical injury from the blast, or radiation burns."

Selective view of the victims?

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by rectang »

atoav wrote: post #76
account42 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it was never the smart thing, always an uninformed emotional reaction based on fear.

I grew in the area most hit by Chernobyl fallout in Europe. The disfigured newborn kids who didn't make it would probably not share your view. My girlfriends first older brother was one of those babies, the second one survived but is disfigured and needs serious care to live. I had three such kids in my first class at school, four different ones in my second and a sizeable number of parents whose kids didn't survive…

There are a number of pro-nuclear advocates on this page who can’t just engage in good faith but instead dismiss and deride their interlocutors as “crazy”, “paranoid”, “fear mongers“. It’s infuriating because the origins of anti-nuclear sentiments are often plain and perfectly understandable, as your poignant anecdotes illustrate.

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by egorfine »

I have been extremely lucky to get an invitation to their concert in Kiev, Ukraine, many years ago. Three of the original members still alive and kicking. It was incredibly awesome.

The concert itself was a gift from Victor Pinchuk, one of the Ukrainian oligarchs and renowned patron, to the city. Previously he also sponsored a full-blown Elton John concert on the main city square which I also attended.

Re: Kraftwerk's radical 1976 track

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Post by lionkor »

pjmlp wrote: post #79
ainch wrote: post #11

I love Kraftwerk, but contributing to anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany hasn't been a major success. If only more European countries had followed the French example and developed substantial nuclear fleets.

I just saw the Fukushima documentary over the weekend, no thanks.

As opposed to brown coal? Because that's what we got instead, and it's much more deadly, much more radioactive, and the toxic waste it produces is not properly controlled like for nuclear.

Of course pollution looks bad when you have to barrel it, instead of just shitting it out into the environment (atmosphere, etc) and saying "we'll stop doing this in a couple decades, don't worry".

I understand that brown coal isn't what people had in mind when they opposed nuclear; they would rather have wind power, solar power, maybe magical fairy dust, but they didn't consider that, practically, we will stick with brown coal.

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