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A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by jkingsman »

dnnddidiej wrote: post #86
jkingsman wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding on to this question, do you anticipate the same people capable of tapping phones to think less of you for a dirty joke? The people whose opinion of me would lower for something off-color and the people who possess the ability to wiretap me are a disjoint set lol.

The point is it would be usable against you, but at the point you are wiretapped and can be used in court all bets are off you are probably in too much trouble may as well tell the joke!

yeah exactly haha; the threat model implies a level of "you're hosed" that something private I'd say to a friend isn't moving the needle on.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by BeetleB »

skinfaxi wrote: post #72
gwbas1c wrote: post #47

Back when I was in college, in a fraternity, we always assumed that the phones were tapped. Specifically, we never spoke about alcohol or marijuana (now legal) on the phone. Even today, I generally assume that my phone could be tapped; even when talking with my trusted work colleagues, friends, and family. I'm extra careful about dirty jokes or "grey morality" in video conferences and email. The same applies to speak…

> Even today, I generally assume that my phone could be tapped; even when talking with my trusted work colleagues, friends, and family. I'm extra careful about dirty jokes or "grey morality" in video conferences and email. This is horrifying. Why do you feel the necessity to self-censor? What consequences do you anticipate?

Not the person who said this, but it's easy: Grow up in a country where the government listening in is common (without any transparent due process), and it becomes second nature.

And then add to that how easy it is to record phone conversations with today's phones (I've done it), it's easier on the brain to assume it's being recorded as opposed to wondering if it is.

But yes, I don't care about my dirty jokes being recorded :-) Illegal activity? Sure. But I solve that problem by not doing illegal things.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by freejazz »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #60
user_7832 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they miss a word they never do unintelligible, they just start playing madlibs based on the rest of the sentence. Imo this is the single biggest flaw of LLMs. They're great at a lot of things, but knowing when they're wrong (or don't have enough information to actually work on) is a critical flaw. IMO there's nothing structural about why they shouldn't be able to spot this and correct themselves - I suspect it's…

It's just a token predictor what do you expect? What we need are tools that embrace that and ping the agent to validate what it just said or double check. But the trade off is that this might hamper their capabilities to some level

>It's just a token predictor what do you expect?

Someone tell Altman

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by bottlepalm »

How many times have you guys been in a meeting, not realized someone turned on AI notes, and said things you would rather have not been recorded and auto-emailed to everyone after the meeting? For me it's happened more than a few times and while maybe there's a silver lining of people hearing the unvarnished truth, I think it's going to change the dynamics of meetings, in that people are not talking honestly anymore, you have to put on a show for the AI note taker.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by Semaphor »

SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #74
netdevphoenix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a token predictor what do you expect? What we need are tools that embrace that and ping the agent to validate what it just said or double check. But the trade off is that this might hamper their capabilities to some level

> It's just a token predictor what do you expect? The point isn't that it's unexpected. It's that prior text-to-speech systems were much better about this particular failure mode, prone to spitting out entirely incorrect words but not rephrasing entire sentences. This is a particularly bad failure mode because people don't notice it. > What we need are tools that embrace that and ping the agent to validate what it ju…

I often (ish) translate between English and German, two languages I speak very well. The quality of translation is amazing and far better than what old systems did.

Maybe it depends on topics or length, for me it's usually 1-2 paragraphs of a German article to share online.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by AstroBen »

bottlepalm wrote: post #94

How many times have you guys been in a meeting, not realized someone turned on AI notes, and said things you would rather have not been recorded and auto-emailed to everyone after the meeting? For me it's happened more than a few times and while maybe there's a silver lining of people hearing the unvarnished truth, I think it's going to change the dynamics of meetings, in that people are not talking honestly anymore,…

It's not just work meetings. This is being taken to healthcare settings, also.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by stego-tech »

mock-possum wrote: post #36
stego-tech wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. The fact LLMs can also amplify existing closed-set research means even smaller shops can now search through a flood of documents to find smoking guns or critical evidence, much faster. I’ve been saying it since the mid-10s, but it’s worth repeating: data isn’t gold, it’s more like oxygen in a room in that the higher the concentration, the more likely it is to poison the inhabitants or explode with an errant spa…

What are you trying to get away with I wonder?

Chillax Palantir, your pro-surveillance throwaway incidentally makes such large data harvesting companies a larger target.

Limiting data retention doesn't mean hiding bad things, it means limiting exposure in general. The more of a thing - anything - that you have, the bigger a target you are to bad actors. By extension, companies holding vast sums of data beyond what's needed to process a given transaction or remain compliant with the law end up placing themselves at risk of being targeted and said data used as leverage against them.

You don't limit data to hide bad shit you're doing, you limit it to avoid others using it to do bad shit against you or your customers. If someone or something is engaged in bad shit, there will always be evidence somewhere regardless of data retention policies.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by steveBK123 »

operation_moose wrote: post #12
coffeebeqn wrote: post #7

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Plus they are super inaccurate. Gemini gets one of its three bullet subtly or very majorly wrong almost every time. Just a few weeks ago Gemini said we’re rolling out our payment setup in Russia. You know the place where we have 20+ sanctions packages on? We were talking about France in the meeting.

We've found they're surprisingly good if everyone on the call is using a decent headset. The problems start when using conference room audio or someone is on their laptop mic. If they miss a word they never do unintelligible , they just start playing madlibs based on the rest of the sentence. We just went through a round of 100+ (non-sensitive) VoC interviews and they really cut down the workload of compiling all of…

> The problems start when using conference room audio

RTO problems

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by xoxxala »

gwbas1c wrote: post #47

Back when I was in college, in a fraternity, we always assumed that the phones were tapped. Specifically, we never spoke about alcohol or marijuana (now legal) on the phone. Even today, I generally assume that my phone could be tapped; even when talking with my trusted work colleagues, friends, and family. I'm extra careful about dirty jokes or "grey morality" in video conferences and email. The same applies to speak…

When I say something inappropriate on the phone or over Discord, I always tell the NSA guy listening it was a joke.
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