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I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it and you don't have to care about my care and I bet I am not the only one.

This is possible for example across Europe, in some countries more openly in others a bit less so but still. It’s not advertised, one reason being that there are ugly cases of pressure by relatives…

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not much different than the US, really. I had to hire some at-home care for a relative with brain cancer, and almost all of them were drunk on the job, falling asleep when they were supposed to be monitoring at night, or getting offended at something their patient said, who's mental state resembles that of a psychotic 8 year old. Oh and if you don't lock shit up, some of them will steal. At a certain point, you fire…

Did you go through an agency or a private hire? I took care of my dad in his final months during Covid. The hospital gave him Covid and then forcibly discharged him, so none of the agencies wanted to deal with him. I was able to find someone who wanted direct work and who was not daunted by the 'rona. They were fantastic. But of course one person can't do every day or around the clock care. I had another great mother…

Agencies. I ended up doing private hires, which was a little nerve-wracking since I didn't have somebody doing background checks, etc. One of them was a total scammer who I probably should have reported for fraud, but the others ended up being really good and went above and beyond.

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Please stop paying any attention to the Torygraph / Reformgraph. It used to be good decades ago but now it just spews propaganda nowadays.

Really? Downvoted for speaking the truth?

https://westenglandbylines.co.uk/opinion/daily-telegraph-dis...

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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I'm assuming that they've not been to a "normal" UK carehome now. Its staffed with minimum wage workers who are in perilous conditions, with no support, time or backup. They are cleaning shit a piss all day long, and being shouted at for being foreign by the demented.

Not much different than the US, really. I had to hire some at-home care for a relative with brain cancer, and almost all of them were drunk on the job, falling asleep when they were supposed to be monitoring at night, or getting offended at something their patient said, who's mental state resembles that of a psychotic 8 year old. Oh and if you don't lock shit up, some of them will steal. At a certain point, you fire…

We just finished a 6-week period where my mother-in-law was cared for at home 24/7 by personal assistants, with three shifts per day. Whole dumb, long story on why we had to do this, and I am very glad it is over (she's in memory care now), but I can say:

First, the PAs from the agency who employed them did a better job than we could have. Most of them were current nurses picking up extra money or former nurses who had retired from active work. Save for one who was new to the job and clearly in over her head (and removed from the account after one short shift), they were all competent and conscientious caregivers, if maybe struggling personally one way or another. Not a job anyone chooses to do, I suspect, but one they're often driven to by circumstance.

Second, that kind of care is prohibitively expensive long-term. The memory care facility costs 25% to 30% of the in-home care, and is far safer. We got lucky and had access to a smaller facility with a very low resident-to-staff ratio.

In the US, at least, I don't see the prospects for this kind of care getting anything but worse. I worry that once the Baby Boomer volume of elders passes through the system, the capital that has swallowed so much of elder care up will pull out and a lot of it will collapse and what survives won't be particularly good or affordable, even compared to current levels.

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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I'm assuming that they've not been to a "normal" UK carehome now. Its staffed with minimum wage workers who are in perilous conditions, with no support, time or backup. They are cleaning shit a piss all day long, and being shouted at for being foreign by the demented.

This framing is ridiculous. Elder abuse and neglect is rampant. Nursing homes are run like prisons and you're empathizing with the guards.

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it and you don't have to care about my care and I bet I am not the only one.

Shoulder pain? Sorry, but your insurance only covers suicide. Dementia? Every day you don't agree to end your life, your caretakers will take it personally.

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but a lot of those elderly people have some significant degree of dementia. That make it difficult to go out on your own terms.

This can be covered in advance, when you can set what to do with your organs after death, or whether to resuscitate you or not and so on, it can be done for this scenario. In advanced societies of course, but we have few and unfortunate people travel from far and wide to reach those services.

There's a long period between beginning and full, diagnosed dementia. You won't be able to tell what you're signing but you won't be protected by a dementia diagnosis either.

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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I'm assuming that they've not been to a "normal" UK carehome now. Its staffed with minimum wage workers who are in perilous conditions, with no support, time or backup. They are cleaning shit a piss all day long, and being shouted at for being foreign by the demented.

This framing is ridiculous. Elder abuse and neglect is rampant. Nursing homes are run like prisons and you're empathizing with the guards.

So you don’t think any of this is down to not enough staff and poor training?

Re: I have seen the dystopian future of elderly care

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Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it and you don't have to care about my care and I bet I am not the only one.

The UK parliament just spent a year and a half on an assisted dying Bill, but then it ran out of parliamentry time. So the powers that be decided no

The powers that be decided to quietly drop it because they’re not willing to come out and publicly support it.

The government could make time for this and they could tell the lords to do one. They just chose not to.

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