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Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by bachmeier »

stingraycharles wrote: post #39
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what…

> They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world How, exactly, are they currently conquering the enterprise world with their models? What do you think Anthropic is doing? Their latest proper model is a year old, they have no moat, no enterprise commitment. Your comment would make sense…

> How, exactly, are they currently conquering the enterprise world with their models?

I didn't say they were conquering the enterprise world. I said they are better positioned for the work that will be profitable in the future. Winning will mean being "good enough" for things like routine interactions with customers at the lowest cost to the business, and having customers fine tune your models using your hardware.

> What do you think Anthropic is doing?

Aside from being arrogant jerks that don't care about pissing off their customers, they're positioning themselves as the highest price provider for the highest end work. There will be a market for that, and maybe Anthropic will survive, but Google looks to me like they have a shot at being the profitable AI company.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by telotortium »

greesil wrote: post #4
FrequentLurker wrote: post #3

This might be great and all but I am still miffed at how simple search on AI Studio is. You can only search the titles of your conversations and nothing inside them. On top of that they messed with the scrolling so Ctrl+F doesn't work reliably.

Too bad they can't just easily vibe code new features.

Ironically, they probably could if they used Codex or Claude Code. Those harnesses and models are good enough to do that these days (since late last year, and getting better since then). However, it seems that DeepMind and no one else at Google has access to either of these.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#43

Post by lukeschlather »

stingraycharles wrote: post #39
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what…

> They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world How, exactly, are they currently conquering the enterprise world with their models? What do you think Anthropic is doing? Their latest proper model is a year old, they have no moat, no enterprise commitment. Your comment would make sense…

> Their latest proper model is a year old

What's a "proper model?" Gemini 3.1 Pro was released 3 months ago. Gemini Robotics 1.6 was released a month ago. And Google is vertically integrated, they aren't just selling tokens, they are selling Taxi rides with Waymo. AI is a lot more than LLMs and Google is doing a lot more than LLMs.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by ninjagoo »

Is anyone tech-savvy going to actually let any tool with this backend run on their personal PCs?

Any app with this behind the scenes is a non-starter for me.

And anyone think that all those folks ditching Win11 will be going for or recommending any app built on this?

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#46

Post by pants2 »

jorvi wrote: post #35
jmathai wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My non technical wife knows both ChatGPT and Anthropic (admittedly, because of me) but doesn’t know Gemini. This is amazing to me. Surely she has seen Gemini in Google search but even her use of that is plummeting. Google has so much revenue that they’ll be around for a long time. But I feel they are fumbling the opportunity with AI. Even in corporate, where we have Gemini. The conversation is fully around Claude. No…

OpenAI and Anthropic have no moat. DeepSeek is a drop-in replacement that is really close in performance for 7.5-20% of the cost. That cost will continue to get pushed down by the Chinese. And bizarrely enough their models are more secure to use because they're open source open weights. OpenAI and Anthropic are going to get crushed long-term, and their investors are going to take a horrendous haircut. On the other ha…

DeepSeek r1 affected markets because for a little while people bought this, but it's not true for so many reasons. Sending data to China is out of the question for every American Enterprise. OAI and Anthropic have rich product suites and API harnesses that make DS far from a "drop in replacement." They have better models, generous usage limits, domination of the zeitgeist, integrations with Slack and all the Enterprise SaaS platforms, and magnitudes more GPU capacity than DS. What you say simply isn't true.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by macNchz »

stingraycharles wrote: post #39
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what…

> They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world How, exactly, are they currently conquering the enterprise world with their models? What do you think Anthropic is doing? Their latest proper model is a year old, they have no moat, no enterprise commitment. Your comment would make sense…

If you're building on top of APIs and can do some eval work (aka do not need the most bleeding edge model), the Gemini Flash and Flash Lite models are super capable for the price.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by jorvi »

pants2 wrote: post #46
jorvi wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI and Anthropic have no moat. DeepSeek is a drop-in replacement that is really close in performance for 7.5-20% of the cost. That cost will continue to get pushed down by the Chinese. And bizarrely enough their models are more secure to use because they're open source open weights. OpenAI and Anthropic are going to get crushed long-term, and their investors are going to take a horrendous haircut. On the other ha…

DeepSeek r1 affected markets because for a little while people bought this, but it's not true for so many reasons. Sending data to China is out of the question for every American Enterprise. OAI and Anthropic have rich product suites and API harnesses that make DS far from a "drop in replacement." They have better models, generous usage limits, domination of the zeitgeist, integrations with Slack and all the Enterpri…

> What you say simply isn't true.

Everything you said is wrong.

- DeepSeek is on V4 now, R1 is ancient history

- The models are open source open weights, which mean you can inspect what the models do and you you can choose US or EU infra providers

- DeepSeek literally has a Claude-compatible endpoint

Please don't comment and confuse other users on topics you know nothing about. Study. Then speak.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

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Post by pants2 »

jorvi wrote: post #48
pants2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek r1 affected markets because for a little while people bought this, but it's not true for so many reasons. Sending data to China is out of the question for every American Enterprise. OAI and Anthropic have rich product suites and API harnesses that make DS far from a "drop in replacement." They have better models, generous usage limits, domination of the zeitgeist, integrations with Slack and all the Enterpri…

> What you say simply isn't true. Everything you said is wrong. - DeepSeek is on V4 now, R1 is ancient history - The models are open source open weights, which mean you can inspect what the models do and you you can choose US or EU infra providers - DeepSeek literally has a Claude-compatible endpoint Please don't comment and confuse other users on topics you know nothing about. Study. Then speak.

- Right, R1 affected markets because the market originally believed your theory, but it doesn't any more, which is why V4 didn't move markets at all.

- Sure, you can use US infra providers. Together.ai is a good US provider but then it's 15X more expensive than DeepSeek's Chinese-subsidized pricing. It's really not that attractive at that price point. Anthropic and OpenAI are focused on larger models, but Grok 4.3[1] is smarter and significantly faster + cheaper than DS4[2] and by a wide margin.

- DeepSeek has a Claude-compatible messages API, but that's trivial. Anthropic has a massive API platform with things like Sessions, Files, and Agents[3]. None of those are available on DeepSeek.

1. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-3

2. https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v4-pro

3. https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/api/overview

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