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Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#31

Post by jmathai »

pants2 wrote: post #8
FrequentLurker wrote: post #3

This might be great and all but I am still miffed at how simple search on AI Studio is. You can only search the titles of your conversations and nothing inside them. On top of that they messed with the scrolling so Ctrl+F doesn't work reliably.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

My non technical wife knows both ChatGPT and Anthropic (admittedly, because of me) but doesn’t know Gemini. This is amazing to me.

Surely she has seen Gemini in Google search but even her use of that is plummeting.

Google has so much revenue that they’ll be around for a long time. But I feel they are fumbling the opportunity with AI. Even in corporate, where we have Gemini. The conversation is fully around Claude. No one talks about Gemini.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#33

Post by panarky »

jmathai wrote: post #31
pants2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

My non technical wife knows both ChatGPT and Anthropic (admittedly, because of me) but doesn’t know Gemini. This is amazing to me. Surely she has seen Gemini in Google search but even her use of that is plummeting. Google has so much revenue that they’ll be around for a long time. But I feel they are fumbling the opportunity with AI. Even in corporate, where we have Gemini. The conversation is fully around Claude. No…

> My non technical wife ...

Reports of the death of Google Search have been greatly exaggerated.

If you believe all the reports on HN about everyone's non-technical wives and grandmas, you'd have a hard time explaining the all-time highs in global usage and revenue from Google Search.

I agree with you that Claude 4.7 Opus is better than Gemini 3.1 Pro, but it's also a lot more expensive.

For my applications, I can't find better price-performance than Gemini 3.0 Flash. And it hasn't even been upgraded to 3.1 yet.

I suspect Google's target is price-performance and not just raw performance, which is how they can serve LLM responses at Google Search scale and still set an all-time record for quarterly earnings of any public company ever.

Frontier model capabilities leapfrog each other every few months, and Google I/O is in ten days, so I expect the leaderboard will change again soon.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#34

Post by bachmeier »

pants2 wrote: post #8
FrequentLurker wrote: post #3

This might be great and all but I am still miffed at how simple search on AI Studio is. You can only search the titles of your conversations and nothing inside them. On top of that they messed with the scrolling so Ctrl+F doesn't work reliably.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what will determine profit from AI.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#35

Post by jorvi »

jmathai wrote: post #31
pants2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

My non technical wife knows both ChatGPT and Anthropic (admittedly, because of me) but doesn’t know Gemini. This is amazing to me. Surely she has seen Gemini in Google search but even her use of that is plummeting. Google has so much revenue that they’ll be around for a long time. But I feel they are fumbling the opportunity with AI. Even in corporate, where we have Gemini. The conversation is fully around Claude. No…

OpenAI and Anthropic have no moat. DeepSeek is a drop-in replacement that is really close in performance for 7.5-20% of the cost. That cost will continue to get pushed down by the Chinese. And bizarrely enough their models are more secure to use because they're open source open weights.

OpenAI and Anthropic are going to get crushed long-term, and their investors are going to take a horrendous haircut.

On the other hand, Google and Microsoft already have the users (and lock-in). They just need to funnel them into Gemini and CoPilot.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#36

Post by Computer0 »

bachmeier wrote: post #34
pants2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what…

GPT-OSS is still decent I think at least when I need a local LLM.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#37

Post by jonhohle »

panarky wrote: post #33
jmathai wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My non technical wife knows both ChatGPT and Anthropic (admittedly, because of me) but doesn’t know Gemini. This is amazing to me. Surely she has seen Gemini in Google search but even her use of that is plummeting. Google has so much revenue that they’ll be around for a long time. But I feel they are fumbling the opportunity with AI. Even in corporate, where we have Gemini. The conversation is fully around Claude. No…

> My non technical wife ... Reports of the death of Google Search have been greatly exaggerated. If you believe all the reports on HN about everyone's non-technical wives and grandmas, you'd have a hard time explaining the all-time highs in global usage and revenue from Google Search. I agree with you that Claude 4.7 Opus is better than Gemini 3.1 Pro, but it's also a lot more expensive. For my applications, I can't…

Unfortunately, I think Google is in the process of killing the golden goose. I visit so few unrecognized websites now and primarily rely on “AI mode” to answer my specific question rather than sift through a handful of possibly accurate pages. How long can that go on before those sites just no longer exist and the source of that knowledge or new knowledge evaporates. Doesn’t seem like that model is sustainable long term.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#38

Post by bachmeier »

jonhohle wrote: post #37
panarky wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My non technical wife ... Reports of the death of Google Search have been greatly exaggerated. If you believe all the reports on HN about everyone's non-technical wives and grandmas, you'd have a hard time explaining the all-time highs in global usage and revenue from Google Search. I agree with you that Claude 4.7 Opus is better than Gemini 3.1 Pro, but it's also a lot more expensive. For my applications, I can't…

Unfortunately, I think Google is in the process of killing the golden goose. I visit so few unrecognized websites now and primarily rely on “AI mode” to answer my specific question rather than sift through a handful of possibly accurate pages. How long can that go on before those sites just no longer exist and the source of that knowledge or new knowledge evaporates. Doesn’t seem like that model is sustainable long t…

Honestly, I think the SEO virus killed that golden goose long before the first AI chat bot. If we still had good search taking us to sane websites, ChatGPT might well have never been a thing. I was posting (including on HN) about the vulnerability of Google's search business years before AI chat. It just happens to be the thing that filled the gap when usable search disappeared.

Re: Gemini API File Search is now multimodal

#39

Post by stingraycharles »

bachmeier wrote: post #34
pants2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible how far behind Gemini has gotten, both the product and the model. Even the ChatGPT plugin for Google Sheets blows away the native Gemini integration. Everyone thought Google was pulling ahead with Gemini 3. For a minute there they had the best language model, image model, AND video model in the world. But it's like they decided to pull over for a nap while OpenAI and Anthropic flew by.

Maybe they've decided they don't want to play the same game as OpenAI and Anthropic? They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world. They're also the only big US player that has an open model that you can build on. I don't think vibe coding or the most cutting edge capabilities are what…

> They're much better positioned for the high volume AI work that's likely to be where the money is made, with calls to APIs doing routine things for all the businesses of the world

How, exactly, are they currently conquering the enterprise world with their models? What do you think Anthropic is doing?

Their latest proper model is a year old, they have no moat, no enterprise commitment.

Your comment would make sense if they would have actual success in the enterprise market and would have actual products in that area, but they don’t.

They had a brief sprint, caught up, and then dropped the ball again.

Their only current moat is their TPUs, and the fact that

1. The whole (successful) LLM world is screaming for capacity

2. They have excess capacity to rent out, just like Grok

Tells everything.

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