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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

ChristianJacobs wrote: post #3

Bambu showed their true colours last year when they would've eliminated offline access altogether if not for public outrage. You don't own your Bambu printer, you're leasing it at a subsidised premium. This move does not surprise me at all, and I'm genuinely happy that Louis is willing to shell out money to help those that can't defend themselves. I'm happy that Bambu finally made Prusa care, but I will not cheer the…

I bought a Prusa several years ago that I had a rollercoaster of feels on. It's reliable, works great, but also cost me $900. For the next 3 years or so I was wondering whether I should have just bought a $250 Bambu and gotten almost same results. Now I'm happy I didn't.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by CamperBob2 »

coldbrewed wrote: post #38
rdiddly wrote: post #31

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5, why you would need to communicate with a cloud service to use a 3D printer?

Remote device control allows for running and monitoring prints from another networks with zero effort, but more importantly local device control can't be monetized. It's just about the money.

Remote device control allows for running and monitoring prints from another networks with zero effort

To reiterate the GP's question: why would I want to do that? In practice whenever I want to monitor anything from anywhere, I just VNC or RDP to my PC.

If it's just about ease-of-use, as the other replies suggest, and not actually gating the functionality of the hardware, I'm having trouble understanding the outrage. It sounds as if they are trying to be the Apple of 3D printing, while also still supporting "sideloading." If the hardware itself isn't locked down, why does anyone care what they do with their cloud service?

OTOH, if the hardware is locked down, then that's what people should be complaining about, not an optional cloud service.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by BowBun »

offbynull wrote: post #125
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

I'm also in the same boat of regret, but for other reasons. Their support team is beyond awful. I purchased an H2S AMS combo just shy of two months ago (mostly because I saw it being praised by HNers a while back) and found out recently that the AMS they've sent me is defective. It's been truly a bizarre experience trying to deal with customer support. They told me to disassemble the AMS and swap a couple of modules…

Just wanna say, I appreciate you going through the effort. Please share your story as it progresses!

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by hacker161 »

stavros wrote: post #83
switchbak wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we’re geeks, we can run tailscale on the local lan and access it anywhere, no? Obviously that’s not for everyone, but that’s workable for savvy users, no?

Yeah man I don't know, if the argument is "it's fine for Bambu not to make a trivial change to allow openness because I can set up a home Linux server that runs 24/7 with OpenVPN and iptables", I'll say this is the reason everything's closed now, because geeks like us didn't shout about it until the last of our hacked-together spit-and-duct-tape solution stopped working, by which point it was too late. I don't accept…

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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by bear141 »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

I am completely against the outrage and drama cycle of all media. But as a matter of fact, this is clearly what drives views in today’s world so it’s nice when someone consistently getting millions of views at least chooses to support something good once in a while.

I much prefer channels that don’t use this way of gaining views, but they, because of that, don’t gain nearly as many views.

I have no skin in this game, but it’s pretty clear what the majority of viewers want.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by ryandrake »

stingraycharles wrote: post #86
sillysaurusx wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court? I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that. You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting h…

> I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating. He appeals to a certain audience that likes rage over proper discourse. I am fairly certain the HN etiquette prefers proper discourse over rage.

I, for one, appreciate communication that has a point of view, one that actually champions an ethical opinion and calls out unethical behavior. I don't think doing this necessarily counts as rage. If I wanted to read a "proper" dry, impartial dissertation on some technology, written by Spock, there are plenty of places online to do this.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by PunchyHamster »

bdcravens wrote: post #119
stavros wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comes with a big caveat. You can either choose to use the printer offline, or online, with no ability to use both. If you want the ability to monitor or pause a print when you're not home on the off chance something goes wrong, you HAVE to send every print through their cloud, there's no middle ground. That's not Bambu being open, that's them doing the absolute minimum to allow people to say "you can use Bambu p…

Monitoring is still possible with Tailscale and Bambu Companion (or a number of third party apps you can put on a Raspberry Pi or similar) https://testflight.apple.com/join/VXBxZYNr https://bambuddy.cool/

Till they block that too. Which given their previous actions is definitely in cards

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by starkparker »

preuceian wrote: post #99
Aurornis wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) Saying anything less than glowingly positive about Rossmann is dangerous due to his fan base, but I think this mentality of pre-forgiving his misinformation is not healthy. Being passionate and putting on a vulnerable schtick shouldn’t excuse someone from misleading their large audience. Rossman is a…

> Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others. I dont see how he is “like many others”. A lot of YouTubers cover controversy for controversy sake, or just as material for another sponsored video. He does not do sponsored content, and usually seems to push for something concrete around consumer rights. So I think the comparison to other drama Youtubers is unfair. In my view, the drama is more a way to draw attention…

Favoring emotion over facts while advocating for a cause is still a sugar high of advocacy, regardless of the cause's righteousness. A short burst quickly forgotten, with a chance of discrediting what you're trying to advocate if the facts aren't right.

Even amongst YouTubers, you can favor facts over emotions (without discarding emotion!) and be a more effective advocate who arms others with both motivation and useful, effective knowledge.[1]

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by ryandrake »

coldbrewed wrote: post #38
rdiddly wrote: post #31

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5, why you would need to communicate with a cloud service to use a 3D printer?

Remote device control allows for running and monitoring prints from another networks with zero effort, but more importantly local device control can't be monetized. It's just about the money.

Almost every hardware manufacturer on Earth is convinced that the only way for an application to communicate with a device on my LAN is to round-trip through some centralized (always manufacturer-run) server.
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