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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by nullstyle »

therouwboat wrote: post #57
nullstyle wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prusa sat on its haunches for a decade, happy to leave progress on the table as long as their salaries got paid. Bambu actually got non-technical people into the hobby and has always had more bang per buck. Buy a bambu; use Orcaslicer Edit: didn't mean to say "held the industry back"; I would categorize my opinion more along the lines of "were happy to get fat on past offerings" or the like.

I did quick search and bambu p2s seems to be 30% faster than prusa mk4s and few hundred cheaper. Prusa is more accurate, more open and has better spare parts supply. Bambu doesn't have wifi connection unless I use their cloud? I'm gonna keep using mk4s.

I’ve always got more consistent and accurate prints out of my x1c versus the prusa mk3 i tolerated. Even just the enclosure makes the bambu experience more much more consistent in my experience

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by dspillett »

Aurornis wrote: post #51
dspillett wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not going to sit through another angry Louis Rossmann video Try https://youtu.be/0tdZ5Z7nRDY?si=vjnJ90p6ba_Xik9B for a less emotive take on this specific case, and the closely related matter of Bambu's attempt to circumvent some of AGPL's protections.

Since you’re familiar with the topic, any sources that are not YouTube videos?

Not that contain any information not covered in the above, or aren't LLM summaries of summaries of the matter, unfortunately. At least not that I've seen thus far. Such is the current timeline, where everything has to be a monetizable video, slop, or both…

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by stavros »

switchbak wrote: post #47
stavros wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like you have a choice, the printer doesn't work locally unless you enable LAN mode, and then it only works locally. Bambu make you pick either "closed servers" or "the mobile app doesn't work" for no reason. I'll chip in to this developer's legal defense fund because I want to be able to do whatever I want with my printer, and "I can't do what I want with my printer" is a bigger problem for me right now tha…

But we’re geeks, we can run tailscale on the local lan and access it anywhere, no? Obviously that’s not for everyone, but that’s workable for savvy users, no?

Yeah man I don't know, if the argument is "it's fine for Bambu not to make a trivial change to allow openness because I can set up a home Linux server that runs 24/7 with OpenVPN and iptables", I'll say this is the reason everything's closed now, because geeks like us didn't shout about it until the last of our hacked-together spit-and-duct-tape solution stopped working, by which point it was too late.

I don't accept any "it's fine because you can hack around it". If it needs me to choose between their phone app working or privacy, it's not fucking open enough.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by sottol »

jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

Once you have a reliable printer, the workflow is mostly to slice -> send to printer -> wait and check on it every couple of hours until it's done ime. Imo it no longer super matters how much better the on-screen ui or webcam are.

Mutli-color though is where Bambu has a good leg up.

(Diluted) Vision Miner Nano Polymer Adhesive and a good bed leveling probe has done a lot to make my printer set and forget, no matter which print sheets I use.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by Aurornis »

exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

> I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic)

Saying anything less than glowingly positive about Rossmann is dangerous due to his fan base, but I think this mentality of pre-forgiving his misinformation is not healthy.

Being passionate and putting on a vulnerable schtick shouldn’t excuse someone from misleading their large audience.

Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others. This is an entire YouTube genre. Most of them have the same schtick where they appear to be the most passionate, vulnerable, on-your-side narrator of a story. His schtick is common in the drama YouTuber genre.

You shouldn’t develop such a parasocial relationship with a person that you reflexively defend every topic they engage in. Discuss the topics each on their own factual merits and be prepared to look for second sources. Don’t align yourself with someone because they are passionate and appear “vulnerable”. At the end of the day, you need to remember that putting on this display is how he makes his money. It’s a show.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by stingraycharles »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #63
stingraycharles wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, it’s almost a political drama channel at this point and his opinions lack nuance. I don’t understand why an article from Tom’s Hardware about an opinion of Louis Rossman who tells a 3D printer maker to go fuck themselves is currently the most upvoted article on HN.

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court? I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that. You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting h…

> I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers.

My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating.

He appeals to a certain audience that likes rage over proper discourse. I am fairly certain the HN etiquette prefers proper discourse over rage.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by quietsegfault »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

Thank you. My Bambu printer works excellently. The previous one I bought years ago is still going strong with a friend now. When parts wear out, I can easily get official, known quality replacements.

I have never had a problem with the software, the outrage is totally manufactured to have something to complain about. Louis was fun to listen to for a while, but his schtick is so tired now.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by quietsegfault »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #63
stingraycharles wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, it’s almost a political drama channel at this point and his opinions lack nuance. I don’t understand why an article from Tom’s Hardware about an opinion of Louis Rossman who tells a 3D printer maker to go fuck themselves is currently the most upvoted article on HN.

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court? I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that. You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting h…

I don’t need to hire hackers to use my 3d printer. It just works.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by nayuki »

therouwboat wrote: post #57
nullstyle wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prusa sat on its haunches for a decade, happy to leave progress on the table as long as their salaries got paid. Bambu actually got non-technical people into the hobby and has always had more bang per buck. Buy a bambu; use Orcaslicer Edit: didn't mean to say "held the industry back"; I would categorize my opinion more along the lines of "were happy to get fat on past offerings" or the like.

I did quick search and bambu p2s seems to be 30% faster than prusa mk4s and few hundred cheaper. Prusa is more accurate, more open and has better spare parts supply. Bambu doesn't have wifi connection unless I use their cloud? I'm gonna keep using mk4s.

The Bambu Lab P2S is a CoreXY printer, and that's why it's physically faster than the Prusa MK4S which is a bed slinger.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by Aurornis »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #63
stingraycharles wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, it’s almost a political drama channel at this point and his opinions lack nuance. I don’t understand why an article from Tom’s Hardware about an opinion of Louis Rossman who tells a 3D printer maker to go fuck themselves is currently the most upvoted article on HN.

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court? I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that. You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting h…

> Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court?

Sure, I’ll pledge $10K to the developer who already declared that he’s not interested in fighting a legal battle for this project. That’s easy.

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