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EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by villgax »

comonoid wrote: post #359
u8080 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a recap how it happened in Russia: 1. First, year ~2015 legal framework was created under disguise of banning pirated media(specifically torrents.ru)(legislative push). State-wide DNS ban introduced. Very easy to circumvent via quering 8.8.8.8 2. Then, having legal basis, govt included extra stuff in banned list(casinos, terrorist orgs, etc)(executive push). IP bans introduced, applied very carefully. 3. Legal e…

8. 2026 White-list mode is occasionally enforced.

dont give them ideas man, with LLMs & image/video creation models, I'm this close to not caring about pubic internet now for non-work/news/payments

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by villgax »

jllyhill wrote: post #235
darqis wrote: post #232

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and yet my friend in Moscow is able to use VPN to get around all this

This is very up to chance. Sometimes the VPN works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's fine on the home Internet, but fails on the cell data, sometimes it's otherwise. And it is fine if you're somewhat tech savvy and okay with tinkering with settings, but a huge pain for the older relatives.

TURN servers is whats needed in those situations

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by ChrisSD »

matwood wrote: post #376
jesterson wrote: post #306

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> EU is more and more resembling North Korea. The problem with hyperbolic comparisons is they tend to shut down the conversation. Yes this law is stupid and should be stopped. No, the EU is nothing like NK.

What law?

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by jurschreuder »

poly2it wrote: post #370
jurschreuder wrote: post #341

The internet is not the nice place it used to be with personal blogs. When we get younger employees they almost cannot work because of their phone addictions. There is billions of research going into making children addicted through the window of their phone screen to watch apps, and now with AI this is getting even more dangerous. It's not only children, also many elderly people are targeted. They are very lonely an…

If you would be proposing a ban of VPNs to shield people from social medias, you would be missing the forest for the trees.

No I would propose to ban all smart phones and the entire internet

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Post by jesterson »

nxm wrote: post #408
mcv wrote: post #333

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Not remotely at full speed. This is not a law, and is not in any way being enforced. Bad ideas get proposed too often, but usually they get rejected. I expect the same will happen here, although we should absolutely remain vigilant. I do share your concern for policy moving in the direction of NK, but the EU isn't moving there nearly as fast as for example the US.

Are you serious? In the US, you don’t get fined or arrested for posting mean memes like in Germany

No point to argue. EU propaganda machine portrays EU as beautiful garden while the US is portrayed as the one descending into fascism.

You can’t push anto-freedom laws without mass brainwashing.

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Post by u8080 »

villgax wrote: post #411
comonoid wrote: post #359

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8. 2026 White-list mode is occasionally enforced.

dont give them ideas man, with LLMs & image/video creation models, I'm this close to not caring about pubic internet now for non-work/news/payments

This is not idea, this is reality in 2026 (Tbf only for cellular internet)

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Post by bean469 »

neonstatic wrote: post #323
swiftcoder wrote: post #149

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Nobody thought to protect western millennials from accidentally wandering across porn on the internet, and we mostly grew up ok

I don't understand why porn is such a problem and an excuse. There is so much genuinely horrifying stuff on the internet - including gore, pictures and videos of all kinds of abuse, but the problem is always with people having sex on camera for money...

> I don't understand why porn is such a problem and an excuse.

It's a cultural thing

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by rini17 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #276
nirui wrote: post #109

In case people no longer remember, when China started to require websites to register for a license before be allowed to operate, it was for "protecting the children" too. This simple policy then goes on to silence most individual publisher(/self-media) and consolidated the industry into the hands of the few, with no opportunity left for smaller entrepreneurs. This is arguably much worse than allowing children to wat…

> And if EU still think that's not enough, maybe they should just cut the cable, like what North Korea did. I'll make a similar comment I made on another thread: we saw a thread with many upvotes hating on the cyber-libertarians... We all know the EU institutions are ran by cyber-libertarians and that it's cyber-libertarians making such research and decisions right? Pick your fight brothers. I don't think spending yo…

The former cyber-libertarians are running the tech unicorns now. Ofc they would prefer you see them as John Galts lol. But they aren't that and they will defend freedom of cyberspace only as far as it aligns with their power and profit.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

darqis wrote: post #232
u8080 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a recap how it happened in Russia: 1. First, year ~2015 legal framework was created under disguise of banning pirated media(specifically torrents.ru)(legislative push). State-wide DNS ban introduced. Very easy to circumvent via quering 8.8.8.8 2. Then, having legal basis, govt included extra stuff in banned list(casinos, terrorist orgs, etc)(executive push). IP bans introduced, applied very carefully. 3. Legal e…

and yet my friend in Moscow is able to use VPN to get around all this

Do they sleep well at night?
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