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EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

buran77 wrote: post #194
leonidasrup wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You always hear the argument "protecting the children", because anyone oposing the regulation/laws can be labeled at best "exposing the children to danger" or at worst "pedofile". So as a consequence at best the oponents of such regulation/laws should not be listened to, or at worst they should be put into prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

The excuse has to be something nobody can appear to be supporting (pedophilia, terrorism, nazis, etc.). It's not only an appeal to emotion, it's also a false dichotomy, a loaded question, guilt by association. Others look at this recipe and can't help but notice its effectiveness. Eventually nobody is beneath pulling this kind of logic, even if they were the ones crucifying it just a few short years ago. The weaker t…

> The excuse has to be something nobody can appear to be supporting (pedophilia, terrorism, nazis, etc.).

If this actually works then it should work in both directions, right?

Example: Many websites are malicious or adversarial, therefore anything enabling a service to discern whether the user is a vulnerable child is a boon to website-operating pedos and needs to be eliminated. The law should inhibit predatory services from being able to discern the user's age, to protect the children.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ZetsuBouKyo wrote: post #291
nirui wrote: post #109

In case people no longer remember, when China started to require websites to register for a license before be allowed to operate, it was for "protecting the children" too. This simple policy then goes on to silence most individual publisher(/self-media) and consolidated the industry into the hands of the few, with no opportunity left for smaller entrepreneurs. This is arguably much worse than allowing children to wat…

I have an extreme slippery slope idea. If they want to protect children, shouldn't they sterilize everyone? Every child born, regardless of wealth will inevitably suffer injury, illness, and psychological setbacks. Therefore, the best way to protect them would be not allowing people to have children. By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. I wonder if I’…

> By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges.

This one isn't actually accurate. Younger people have longer time horizons (i.e. aren't expecting to be dead as soon) and are therefore more likely to support policies like electrifying transportation and generating power from lower CO2 sources, and policies get enacted when they have majority support, so causing the population to skew older by reducing the number of children is ecologically very bad.

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Post by neonstatic »

swiftcoder wrote: post #149
delusional wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is arguably much worse than allowing children to watch porn online, because this will for sure effect people's whole life in a negative way. I would like you to make that argument.

Nobody thought to protect western millennials from accidentally wandering across porn on the internet, and we mostly grew up ok

I don't understand why porn is such a problem and an excuse. There is so much genuinely horrifying stuff on the internet - including gore, pictures and videos of all kinds of abuse, but the problem is always with people having sex on camera for money...

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Post by fithisux »

kennykartman wrote: post #271

If any EU government people are reading this, I'd like to send you a short message: Please stop thinking about the kids on the internet. But here's a brief list of things you must work on with higher urgency: - taxing more large corporations, - taxing more ultra-rich people, - funding EU-made (open source) tech and infrastructure, - let parents spend more time with their kids so they can actually protect their offspr…

And then EU tyrrants

please abolish yourselves. You are worse than cancer.

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Post by tdeck »

palata wrote: post #158
cess11 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Need is a very strong word. I'd call it a desire. Currently you can often identify people, sure, but there's hassle involved. What they want to do is to plug in a private corporation separate from whatever service that is likely to be more loyal with the state apparatus than the service, or else it is easily switched out for another. And corporations are having issues discerning bots from people without making access…

> Currently you can often identify people, sure, but there's hassle involved You vastly underestimate the current state of surveillance capitalism. > You could also look at who is heavily lobbying for this, you'll find it is fascist tech oligarchs from the US. Go in the street, and ask a bunch of random people: "If there was a way to prevent kids from accessing stuff that is bad for them, and it had no downsides. Wou…

There are a lot of things that most people in the street want that aren't even on the road map to happening, so you have to ask yourself why this thing (which isn't hardly anyone's top motivating issue) is gaining traction.

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Post by messe »

Aerroon wrote: post #253
messe wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes... if you want to do business with people, then those people want to know who they do business with. What a fucking tragedy. I'm sorry you have to live in such a socialist hellscape.

Well, the problem is all the bad actors. Why don't you post your full name, home address, email address, and phone number right here? You "do business" too, right? Should everyone in the world then be able to have access to the information I mentioned just because you work for someone?

Umm, yes? My contact information is attached to the business names I trade under? Which is publicly available information.

Is this an alien concept to you?

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Post by eduction »

nirui wrote: post #109

In case people no longer remember, when China started to require websites to register for a license before be allowed to operate, it was for "protecting the children" too. This simple policy then goes on to silence most individual publisher(/self-media) and consolidated the industry into the hands of the few, with no opportunity left for smaller entrepreneurs. This is arguably much worse than allowing children to wat…

Do you have a single link or other piece of evidence to substantiate this? I’ve never seen, nor can I find in a search, any evidence the ICP license scheme in place for that past 26 years in China has ever related to children in any meaningful sense.

It has the ring of BS. Why would an authoritarian government in a country with no free press or free elections feel any need to justify a speech regulation with a fig leaf? They openly restrict speech.

I think you’re full of it.

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Post by sph »

What annoys me the most is the half of these comments discuss the ‘protecting the children’ agenda when it is clear that it is all smoke and mirrors and it’s just a stepping stone for mass surveillance of adult citizens.

You guys should know better, yet keep falling for the distraction every time. That’s exactly how they win.

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Post by JV00 »

rsynnott wrote: post #245
JV00 wrote: post #16

Perhaps these legislators are addicted to porn and don't want their children to do to themselves the same they have done. Would explain their obsession and relentlessness to get this done. It's just a pity they are destroying the internet while doing that. They should be attacking the companies making money from porn instead. And by the way porn can damage your mind even after 18 so age verification is not a real sol…

Which legislators? No legislators are involved anywhere here. This is an advisory body quoting a foreign advisory body.

From the article:

""" At the same time, regulators are beginning to address VPN use directly in legislation. Utah recently became the first US state to enact a law explicitly targeting VPN use in online age verification. The state’s SB 73 defines a user’s location based on physical presence rather than apparent IP address, even if VPNs or proxy services are used to mask it.

The EPRS suggests VPN providers may face increasing scrutiny as the EU revises cybersecurity and online safety legislation, noting that future updates to the EU Cybersecurity Act could introduce child-safety requirements aimed at preventing VPN misuse to bypass legal protections. """

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