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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by simianparrot »

iamnothere wrote: post #220
tokkkie wrote: post #195

stealing or overstaying visa is crime everywhere. why surprised about arrest? other countries ignore this? from japan.

Far too many HN “Japan understanders” receive all their opinions about Japan from US activists who get paid to write hate pieces about Japanese culture. Just look at this thread. Yakuza? Taking umbrellas = go to jail? These people are morons. Worse, they think they are informed. Maybe the BoJ didn’t burn enough money on US bonds this week or something. I can never understand the timing of these things or who is fundi…

China would be a good guess.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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metacritic12 wrote: post #14

Seems like it's not pleasant, and the author says in theory it could be as low of a bar as getting into a heated argument; but the author never discloses his actual charge, which I think is critical context. If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different than if he had a loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. That he doesn't go on to protest why he got locked…

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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by barrkel »

nihonde wrote: post #181
kelnos wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter what her charge was. Even (alleged/suspected) serial murderers and rapists should be treated humanely and not experience psychological torture. And also remember this treatment is at the point where they haven't been charged with anything, haven't been tried in court, and haven't been convicted. The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. And it's desi…

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She was released; that means the charge was a mistake, and it caused damage to an innocent person.

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Post by jaredklewis »

metacritic12 wrote: post #14

Seems like it's not pleasant, and the author says in theory it could be as low of a bar as getting into a heated argument; but the author never discloses his actual charge, which I think is critical context. If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different than if he had a loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. That he doesn't go on to protest why he got locked…

This take is insane.

The charges could be very serious but I’m not sure what that has to do with anything, because being charged (or even just arrested) is not the same as being convicted. The author of this post claims both of their charges were dropped.

So, what, let’s torture anyone that _might_ have done something “serious?” No judge, no jury, just if a cop thinks you might have done something, straight into a psychological torture cell for weeks and months while they think about your case? wtf

Also, your description of their experience as “not pleasant” just kind of blows my mind. Like it was a long line at the DMV or something.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by JCharante »

xyzelement wrote: post #8
HPMOR wrote: post #5

Holy shit this is horrible. It really shows the true cost of having a disciplined public society. People love to hate on SF, and the homelessness. But I think it’s a society that prioritizes individual freedom which allows for both this outcome and the entrepreneurial environment we see.

You are not supposed to be in jail, and you are not supposed to enjoy it if you are. It makes sense to optimize society for law obiding people.

> It makes sense to optimize society for law obiding people.

I agree, and this system is meant to hold people before they have evidence meaning it can hurt law abiding people.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by bradchris »

EA-3167 wrote: post #211
bradchris wrote: post #192

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You clearly have a different view of “innocent until proven guilty” than most US citizens, which is fine, maybe you aren’t one, but that line of rhetoric is going to be anathema to most people on this website. Not that the US criminal system isn’t its own complete mess, but thank God for the concept of bail (going about your life outside of jail until trial or dismissal, within certain parameters) and right to see a…

> You clearly have a different view of “innocent until proven guilty” Most people don't really understand it, and even the ones who do often have personal exceptions driven by emotion. The idea that you need to defend the guilty to protect the innocent is alien to a lot of people. Japan takes the lack of that assumption a step further though, since it's a society based on strict compliance to cultural norms... for be…

Primarily the US’s approach is: “we know our system will never be perfect [and the system we have is actually a hell of its own making], so we will ensure an escape hatch for BOTH innocent/guilty from the shortcomings of the system until a definitive verdict has been reached”

While Japan’s/many other countries approach is: “We intend our court system to be a perfect representation of our culture, history, and policy objectives. Therefore it should apply in every case, regardless of individual circumstance, so there is no escape hatch, because why deviate from a perfect process.”

The former is how you get the wildly inconsistent US approach to the criminal system, while the latter is how you get a kafkaesque nightmare (or worse, a system weaponized to intentionally target innocent undesirables, like El Salvador’s CECOT)

Both are simplified, none are perfect, of course. But I know which system I’d rather be accused under.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by tristanj »

iamnothere wrote: post #197
tristanj wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim that Japan is "safe" because it has a high conviction rate is a junk meme. The United States federal conviction rate is essentially identical to the Japanese judicial conviction rate when measured by the same methodology. It's roughly 99.6-99.8% depending on the year. Japan is safe because of other factors, not their conviction rate. > they swipe up every single criminal they can, plus a bunch of random peo…

Exactly. What is it with the weird attacks on Japan here? Chinese sockpuppet accounts maybe?

It comes from a cursory understanding of the world outside of western countries. People watch a few videos on youtube about other countries, or visit on vacation for a week, and assume they understand the mentality of people who live there. It's hubris. Then they apply western moralities to other cultures, implicitly assuming their own western ideals are superior.

For example, pretty much everything kulahan wrote about Japan in the grandparent comment is completely made up. Good narrative, emotionally aligned, feels true, stated with complete confidence, but absolutely fictitious.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by hparadiz »

simianparrot wrote: post #226
hparadiz wrote: post #206

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You can love Japanese culture and still call them out when they are clearly uncivilized. We're talking about a culture largely defined by the same people that did Nanjing. It's quite ironic that the same culture that claims to be pacifist has no problem inflicting psychological torture on prisoners. Asia in general has this problem. Makes me think of TNG (Season 1, Episode 8). Death for walking on the grass. What is…

«Uncivilised» Compared to what? European and other western countries with significantly higher crime rates? Safety comes at a cost.

Prisoner conditions have nothing to do with crime rates. What is the connection?
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