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The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Is the fact that I was in the hospital protected health information? If not, why not?

I wouldn't blame the hospital. It was documented years ago that lawyers were buying cell phone location data from the carriers in order to drum up potential clients in hospitals. Blame the data industry and big tech.

And lawyers.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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This is part of the same trend which requires ID to use social media, view adult content, or log into their own computer. The goal is to give government control of computers and communications.

China has had the requirement to "bind" online accounts to ID for almost a decade. No one complained because they already verified with Weixin (WeChat) so they just linked their accounts to it.

Are you sure that no one complained?

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Back when all phones were land lines were you able to get service connected without showing some identity? I honestly don't remember, and I had land lines at several addresses. I would assume they would want to ID the account owner in case they later had to collect, but they at least had the name you gave them, probably SSN or drivers license number too.

Correct. They knew the address. Someone had to live there to use it. The first time I needed to show id for phone service was for my first cell phone in 1999, and I thought it was odd to need it.

By that time I had had 5 different land line numbers, from moving around.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.

>until I was in the hospital last year So much for HIPAA huh?

HIPPA doesn't do anything to protect your medical privacy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sfIBRTcRpU).

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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The creeping is advanced by the blue/red team mentality too. MAGA won't care about this because their guy is in charge. If he were not, there would be conspiracy theories about how this is all a plan to get Trump and his supporters. For now team blue complains until their guy is in charge, like how Biden insisted everyone needed to show vaccine papers to participate in society and they were silent. Few can see that t…

I'm not going to roll in the mud here. Rather, it is sufficient to point out that generically showing a vaccine record/card for a limited time is qualitatively different from online tracking of all activity, and that COVID killed a lot of people. The US federal government is tasked with ensuring the general welfare of all people in its nation on line one of the US Constitution. Vaccine mandates are clearly and object…

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Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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They know through indirect means. So they buy all the cellphone data specifically the gps location data in the us and funnel it through huge servers. So they can determine patterns, addresses, etc. This makes that easier and doesn't risk any of the legality if their should be illegal data sources or other likely illegal activities. Tldr: This is a way to defeat vpns.

Yeah I strongly suspect this will allow them to use it in court considerably more frequently. But still, I know they know who I am. Anyone with a cell phone in their pocket has no privacy. It’s the best tracking device ever. Anyone who thinks anything at all can make that problem worse simply doesn’t understand that they have none. I’d rather have zero privacy and zero spam calls than zero privacy and lots of spam ca…

We have a constitutional amendment–the 4th amendment. They ignore it.

You can have privacy on a phone using GrapheneOS.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Phone numbers aren't protected health information.

Is the fact that I was in the hospital protected health information? If not, why not?

It probably is today. There was a time when hospital admissions/discharges were published in the local paper.

As a population we used to be a lot less concerned with privacy. It was nicer in a way. It was a time when you didn't really worry about your identity getting leaked or stolen. If someone knew you were in the hospital, they might send you flowers or a card.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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China has had the requirement to "bind" online accounts to ID for almost a decade. No one complained because they already verified with Weixin (WeChat) so they just linked their accounts to it.

Are you sure that no one complained?

Anyone who complained was disappeared so no-one is complaining anymore.

China took over Honk Kong and lots of people complained about that before it happened but afterwards not so much.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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The difference between say a think tank and an advocacy organization like "reclaimthenet.org" is a think tank hopefully feels obligated to think about, and pitch, a solution to the identified problem (spam calls). Obviously reclaimthenet.org can post whatever they want on their site. I'm curious about requiring all phone calls except to emergency services to cost a tenth of a cent. Or some amount that permits desired…

yeah think tanks are notorious for pitching honest solutions to problems and not just pushing forward their specific agendas

what's your argument here? that what they posted is wrong? that this change isn't harmful?

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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> Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Why?

Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or mayb…

How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day.

You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing.

Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.

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