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The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by tomrod »

panny wrote: post #17
big85 wrote: post #13

This is part of the same trend which requires ID to use social media, view adult content, or log into their own computer. The goal is to give government control of computers and communications.

The creeping is advanced by the blue/red team mentality too. MAGA won't care about this because their guy is in charge. If he were not, there would be conspiracy theories about how this is all a plan to get Trump and his supporters. For now team blue complains until their guy is in charge, like how Biden insisted everyone needed to show vaccine papers to participate in society and they were silent. Few can see that t…

I'm not going to roll in the mud here. Rather, it is sufficient to point out that generically showing a vaccine record/card for a limited time is qualitatively different from online tracking of all activity, and that COVID killed a lot of people. The US federal government is tasked with ensuring the general welfare of all people in its nation on line one of the US Constitution. Vaccine mandates are clearly and objectively in line with that, the recent internet hostilities have a much harder time making that case.

Also, I've found Costco aluminum foil is substantially more durable than grocery store aluminum foil. I do not work/shill for Costco.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by panny »

trollbridge wrote: post #26
panny wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but you're telling me kids that don't have a government ID can't have phones now, right?

Kids can get government IDs. In my state, it's free for anyone under the age of 17. It's also free for anyone who can provide adequate proof they can't afford the $15.

You're missing a whole lot of points here.

1) They aren't legal adults.

2) Protecting the Boomers again, who had it better than their parents and their children. Why protect the future when we can coddle the past instead.

3) Absurdly, most of HN will die on the "government ID required to vote" hill, but this is just fine now...

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by tomrod »

trollbridge wrote: post #26
panny wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but you're telling me kids that don't have a government ID can't have phones now, right?

Kids can get government IDs. In my state, it's free for anyone under the age of 17. It's also free for anyone who can provide adequate proof they can't afford the $15.

And they pay for the time off work, the daycare required, the gas bill...

No fee is not equivalent to free.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by SoftTalker »

panny wrote: post #9
KevinMS wrote: post #6

I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.

>until I was in the hospital last year So much for HIPAA huh?

Phone numbers aren't protected health information.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by SoftTalker »

Back when all phones were land lines were you able to get service connected without showing some identity? I honestly don't remember, and I had land lines at several addresses. I would assume they would want to ID the account owner in case they later had to collect, but they at least had the name you gave them, probably SSN or drivers license number too.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by nullc »

trollbridge wrote: post #27
varispeed wrote: post #2

Domestic abusers rejoice. Just hide the victim's ID and they won't get a phone.

My state has laws specifically about this which help DV victims replace stolen wallets, birth certificates, IDs, and so on. Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. The public has, in general, decided they don't like the alternatives, and I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability…

> I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls

False choice. It's quite possible that this will not substantially reduce much less eliminate the junk calls.

It will substantially reduce my ability to obtain an anonymized number that no one knows about and has any reason to junk call. I don't get any junk calls on my anonymous numbers, if if I did, I'd toss that number and get another and the junk could not follow it unless whomever I was using the number with was the source of the leak and then I'd stop doing business with them in the future.

Past privacy violations are what are driving the scam calls, making their be a mandatory loss of privacy at the moment you get the number will not help.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by gosub100 »

KevinMS wrote: post #6

I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.

Probably a coincidence. I didn't get any spam calls either, until I did.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

SoftTalker wrote: post #35
panny wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>until I was in the hospital last year So much for HIPAA huh?

Phone numbers aren't protected health information.

Is the fact that I was in the hospital protected health information? If not, why not?

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by panny »

tomrod wrote: post #31
panny wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The creeping is advanced by the blue/red team mentality too. MAGA won't care about this because their guy is in charge. If he were not, there would be conspiracy theories about how this is all a plan to get Trump and his supporters. For now team blue complains until their guy is in charge, like how Biden insisted everyone needed to show vaccine papers to participate in society and they were silent. Few can see that t…

I'm not going to roll in the mud here. Rather, it is sufficient to point out that generically showing a vaccine record/card for a limited time is qualitatively different from online tracking of all activity, and that COVID killed a lot of people. The US federal government is tasked with ensuring the general welfare of all people in its nation on line one of the US Constitution. Vaccine mandates are clearly and object…

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