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A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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"After 16 minutes and 41 seconds, it came back" ... "further 47 minutes and 39 seconds" ... "After 13 minutes and 33 seconds" ... "After 9 minutes and 12 seconds" ... "After 31 minutes and 40 seconds" ... plus other computations Anyone spotting the issue here? What did that really cost? I am not against compute being used for scientific or other important problems. We did that before LLMs. However, the major LLM gate…

> "After 16 minutes and 41 seconds, it came back" ... "further 47 minutes and 39 seconds" ... "After 13 minutes and 33 seconds" ... "After 9 minutes and 12 seconds" ... "After 31 minutes and 40 seconds" ... plus other computations Anyone spotting the issue here? What did that really cost? Whatever the Joules... (convert to $ using your preferred benchmark price) it is a fraction to what it might take a human Ph. D. w…

Compute in science was already subsidized by public funding or by donations. Most supercomputers are financed this way. And that's a good thing. If you have a good science problem that can be computed, apply for compute time. There is nothing wrong to apply that to LLMs as well, like I wrote in my initial post. The human is still required to identity problems that are worth to be computed, to create prompts that the LLM can act on, and to verify results. But, OpenAI providing compute for basically free is still tied to a different incentive: to fuel the hype and to capture the market, while distorting/obfuscating the real costs. That's also the reason for why we cannot claim that 'economics on LLMs is just unbeatable'. It depends on the problem, the reason for a prompt.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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I am a physics professor and often use Gemini to check my papers. It is a formidable tool: it was able to find a clerical error (a missing imaginary unit in a complex mathematical expression) I was not able to find for days, and it often underlines connections between concepts and ideas that I overlooked. However, it often makes conceptual errors that I can spot only because I have good knowledge of the topic I am di…

I don't think the experience with Gemini will be the same when using GPT.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this sounds generous (and in some ways it is), it does not address the general point that GP is making. That is, the systematic disadvantage which large parts of humanity have w.r.t. to access to the tools. You could say they can't drive a Lambhorgini either, but that also doesn't solve the problem.

Its a problem of the individual institutions and countries. The budget required for AI tools currently is negligible compared to other university expenses. We don't need to call everything a systemic disadvantage when the disadvantaged (at the institution level) have agency here.

Can you tell me what is the budget necessary to supply AI tools capable of substantial research assistance to all academic staff at a university?

You seem to have a good estimate in your head; I definitely do not.

From personal experience, ChatGPT 5.5 (the Plus tier) is excellent for programming tasks and also for various teaching related tasks but I have not observed the research benefits that Tim Gowers has when I asked it questions in my area of expertise. So the costs are definitely higher than a few dozen $ a month per PhD/professor.

You might be right that universities should immediately spring into action and demand funding for research level AI resources and hardware. One thing you might be mistaken in is that public universities are unfortunately very inflexible institutions; one reason for this is that they have a large internal leadership structure AND they are funded by the state, so even if the entire university agrees on something, the funding is at the whim of the ministry of education and thus the current political leadership.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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> quite a lot of perfectly good human mathematics consists in putting together existing knowledge and proof techniques Creativity is connecting ideas from different domains and see if something from one field applies to another. I do think AI is overhyped generally; but a major benefit from AI could be that after ingesting all the existing human knowledge (something no single human can ever hope to achieve) it would…

> Creativity is connecting ideas from different domains and see if something from one field applies to another.

That's true. The question is whether the produced pattern has any value. LLMs are incapable of determining this, and will still often hallucinate, and make random baseless claims that can convince anyone except human domain experts. And that's still a difficult challenge: a domain expert is still needed to verify the output, which in some fields is very labor intensive, especially if the subject is at the edge of human knowledge.

The second related issue is the lack of reproducibility. The same LLM given the same prompt and context can produce different results. This probability increases with more input and output tokens, and with more obscure subjects.

The tools are certainly improving, but these two issues are still a major hurdle that don't get nearly as much attention as "agents", "skills", and whatever adjacent trend influencers are pushing today.

And can we please stop calling pattern matching and generation "intelligence"? This farce has gone on long enough.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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I am a physics professor and often use Gemini to check my papers. It is a formidable tool: it was able to find a clerical error (a missing imaginary unit in a complex mathematical expression) I was not able to find for days, and it often underlines connections between concepts and ideas that I overlooked. However, it often makes conceptual errors that I can spot only because I have good knowledge of the topic I am di…

LLMs are at their best when you have an expectation for their output. I generally know the shape of the correct response and that allows me to evaluate it's output on it's "vibes", rather than line by line. If there's no expectation then I have to take everything at face value and now I'm at the mercy of the machine.

Exactly, if I generate a large chunk software, I'm going to have expectations about what it will do, how it will do it, etc. You don't just accept the statement that "it's done" for fact but you start looking for evidence.

A scientific approach here is to look to falsify the statement. You start asking questions, running tests, experiments, etc. to prove the notion that it is done wrong. And at some point you run out of such tests and it's probably done for some useful notion of done-ness.

I've built some larger components and things with AI. It's never a one shot kind of deal. But the good news is that you can use more AI to do a lot of the evaluation work. And if you align your agents right, the process kind of runs itself, almost. Mostly I just nudge it along. "Did you think about X? What about Y? Let's test Z"

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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I honestly can't say this isn't AGI anymore. AGI shouldn't be a bar so taboo that it has to be at the extreme capability in every domain. What human is? This is as AGI as it needs to be to get my vote. And it's scary.

to quote Demis Hassabis, "these models can solve frontieer problems in math, but also fail in really dumb ways at trivial questions - the car wash question".

jagged AGI

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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From the article:

> Conversely, for problems where one’s initial reaction is to be impressed that an LLM has come up with a clever argument, it often turns out on closer inspection that there are precedents for those arguments, so it is still just about possible to comfort oneself that LLMs are merely putting together existing knowledge rather than having truly original ideas. How much of a comfort that is I will not discuss here, other than to note that quite a lot of perfectly good human mathematics consists in putting together existing knowledge and proof techniques.

This is exactly what leads me to believe that the real impact of LLMs in human history is yet to come. My work as a researcher was mostly spent on two classes of workloads: reading papers that were recently published to gather ideas and keep up with the state of the art, and work on a selection of ideas gathered from said papers to build my research upon. It turns out that LLMs excel at the most critical component of both workloads: parsing existing content and use it when prompting the model to generate additional content based on specific goals and constraints. I mean, papers are already a way to store and distribute context.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Basically medical science too. My wife was able to diagnose her own anemia that the doctors kept missing, and has since been able to have iron infusions. The human doctors kept ignoring the signals, kept putting it down to 'diet' and 'exercise' (even though she does plenty of both)

no blood tests were done?

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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I honestly can't say this isn't AGI anymore. AGI shouldn't be a bar so taboo that it has to be at the extreme capability in every domain. What human is? This is as AGI as it needs to be to get my vote. And it's scary.

It's ASI with jagged intelligence, which is probably what it will remain for a while.

It still sounds to me like remarkable automation rather than something that's expanding the frontier of human knowledge, for now at least.

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