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An Introduction to Meshtastic

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Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#151

In russia they have limited internet now. something like mestastic is something everyone would need to make sure we could have communication even though someone tried to limit it.

I'm on a fence about this.

First, the biggest issue r/n is the concern that external internet will be limited to a point of no return, for this meshtastic is quite useless because to go across the border you need powerful transmitters and risk of placing and maintaining them near the border. In russia this is not only risk of going to prison but also being literally shot if border patrol/FSB overreacts. Even if you're successful bandwidth is miniscule compared to what a modern country needs to communicate internationally.

Second, due to Ukraine piggybacking on cellular networks for drone targeting/control cell service is frequently disrupted by authorities in the areas of a likely attack (it's obviously as effective as this sounds compounded by general incompetence of the government). While they cannot shut it down completely because russia still doesn't want to go back to the stone age, this concern is largely non-existent for meshtastic though. If it becomes widely popular and coverage expands, it also could be used by Ukraine as a control network, and in this case I would expect russian authorities to just jam the whole frequency range and be done with it. So the moment it becomes viable alternative is the moment it will be shut down.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#153
We are in the South Pacific with our sailboat, and are using Meshtastic every day to talk between ourselves and with various buddy boats. The boat has a solar-powered repeater (CLIENT_BASE) on the mast that increases communications range significantly.

This all works great with no local SIM cards or other subscriptions or infrastructure needed.

We plan to run experiments with Reticulum when we stop for the cyclone season. Reticulum would open a lot more possibilities with both LoRa and internet-based comms. The Columba app seems to do a lot to bridge the usability gap, but work will need to be done to integrate Reticulum with our boat systems the way we have with Meshtastic (alerting, telemetry, digital switching control).

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People forget that this network isnt for everyday use. It is for use in ad-hoc scenarios where cell or even satellite coverage falls apart. The most powerful aspect is that these things are deployable . A communication chain can be established as fast as people can move. Natural disasters are the most obvious use case, but more interesting are things like search and rescue. Go somewhere properly remote such as the hi…

This does not sound terribly different from the original use case for the internet. Are there similar routing algorithms in place ?

Similar, no. The basis of the internet is that each node announces who they are connecting to. Each node is expected to know which messages (packets) they can handle and which they cannot. This works because connections on the internet are stable. Nodes in an unstable ad-hoc mesh network don't know how they are connected, who they can pass messages for. So every node takes every message and repeats it to whatever other nodes are in range. It is a fundamentally different problem.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#156
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Somewhat related thread from the past days https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47999636 that also discusses Reticulum which is an interesting project in the same space too. From what I could see the general vibe seems to be shifting from meshtastic to meshcore.io in the past months.

It's a natural direction to hop from Meshtastic to Meshcore.io as the community grows. They are implemented a bit differently. The chatty nature of Meshtastic works very well in small groups, or unknown area, when you need to talk a bunch of your friends scattered during a trip, to monitor your tracktors on a large field, etc.. Then you try to scale it to a larger city and it just completely breaks. Then Meshcore.io…

> As for Reticulum, I don't see it competing in the same category at all.

Indeed, but when talking to friends who find Meshtastic / Meshcore interesting we often also talk about Reticulum as it has some overlaps and is an interesting project.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It runs independently of internet and power. One use case is a group of people in a remote area (hikers, hunters) carrying their own node and being able to communicate via text over several kilometres.

A PMR or DMR radio can also do that. And is cheaper and user friendlier.

DMR without needing the site to setup your ID etc?

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#158
Meshtastic is… okay, but I was seriously put off the fact that a node can’t work with multiple clients (like phone and desktop) cooperatively, even with TCP transports. And that’s a protocol design issue, it has single client in mind. Virtual nodes didn’t work for me (I verified every configurable knob but I haven’t bothered debugging what goes on under the hood).

But it’s the only radio-based mesh network I’ve ever “seen” anyone else on.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#159

Meshtastic is… okay, but I was seriously put off the fact that a node can’t work with multiple clients (like phone and desktop) cooperatively, even with TCP transports. And that’s a protocol design issue, it has single client in mind. Virtual nodes didn’t work for me (I verified every configurable knob but I haven’t bothered debugging what goes on under the hood). But it’s the only radio-based mesh network I’ve ever…

Have a look at meshrank and the current map over UK. It’s quite wild how much coverage there is.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

#160

I haven't messed with this yet, to me it seems like it could theoretically map all device locations, triangulating positions? Has that been addressed?

That's known as Transmitter Hunting (aka Fox Hunting). It's a fundamental flaw of most wireless communication. Are you referring to something more specific?

I think that is more of a directional antenna approach? I’m more talking about triangulation, we used to be able to do it with cell towers and if you had 3 or more in range we could get pretty accurate location (now that seems to be locked down).
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