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An Introduction to Meshtastic

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Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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So you have the mesh and then what? Do people communicate to distribute prohibited anti-government propaganda or is it a network of people who otherwise be too shy to talk to each other by other means? What is the use case?

It runs independently of internet and power. One use case is a group of people in a remote area (hikers, hunters) carrying their own node and being able to communicate via text over several kilometres.

A PMR or DMR radio can also do that. And is cheaper and user friendlier.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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I've been using Meshtastic for years. Still have a few Heltec v2 nodes running. It's been a lot of fun. It also encouraged me to get my HAM license since most of the local meshtastic/meshcore users are also in the radio clubs. It reminds me of the early internet. In the early 90s the entire list of URLs could fill a notebook. And it was my first exposure to P2P nets. Meshtastic is a bit like that where it doesn't wor…

I tried meshtastic but there is literally nobody around me. It's like trying to get friends to use signal. I've moved to Meshcore recently and it gets me connected to the rest of the UK. But it took me 2 dedicated repeaters. I love the meshcore homesassitant plugin, managed to setup some alerts to send out a message on a private channel every 5 minutes if I lose power as an example.

Nice to hear your experience, as it sounds similar to where i'm currently at. I'm in the south of Norway and there's not much activity on Meshcore yet. I had set up a repeater on a nearby hill, and then one Saturday I started receiving messages in the public channel. At first I thought someone was passing by in town, but I soon realized (and confirmed) that these were messages from Denmark! Some were 200+ KMs away (mostly over sea). I was chatting to people and even able to login to a remote Repeater. I was flabbergasted. Now I'm using the amazing antenna coverage function within the MC app to find best locations of repeaters, which is a fun pastime on itself, especially in a hilly environment. It's a fun and educational exeperience if nothing else! It reminds me very much of packet radio back in the 90s, similar vibe.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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So you have the mesh and then what? Do people communicate to distribute prohibited anti-government propaganda or is it a network of people who otherwise be too shy to talk to each other by other means? What is the use case?

> What is the use case? It's primarily just an experimental system. Demonstrating that fixed infrastructure isn't actually necessary to communicate. Beyond that, it's a mixture of HAM radio for communicating with people outside of your immediate circle, and disaster prep. The best realistic scenario I can see for using it is after a sever weather event like hurricane, tornado, tsunami, etc. that takes out significant…

People forget that this network isnt for everyday use. It is for use in ad-hoc scenarios where cell or even satellite coverage falls apart. The most powerful aspect is that these things are deployable. A communication chain can be established as fast as people can move. Natural disasters are the most obvious use case, but more interesting are things like search and rescue.

Go somewhere properly remote such as the high north. There is no cell network outside of town. And the satellite coverage is spotty at best. Say you need to go look for someone. Meshtastic relays can be up and working in minutes. A chain of rescuers can spread out along a path, and remain talking to each other, as fast as they can move. Sure, radios can do this too, but long range voice radio require serious power and are still largely line-of-sight. Radio relays are an entirely other expensive thing.

Think also of remote camps (logging/planting/fishing/climbing etc). Toss a lora relay on every vehicle and every work party can talk via the app installed on their normal phones. Use GPS-enabled devices and you can passively keep track of every vehicle. Need to operate two valleys over? As the first crew deploys out they can plop down relays at key points. Years ago I setup something like this using wifi relays. It was hell. It never worked right. The range and lower power demands of lora would have been infinitely easier.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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In russia they have limited internet now. something like mestastic is something everyone would need to make sure we could have communication even though someone tried to limit it.

In that case I think Reticulum would be the better use case as it's encrypted from the start.

https://reticulum.network/manual/whatis.html

Reticulum is an open-source, cryptography-based networking stack designed to build secure, resilient, and decentralized low-bandwidth wide-area networks using readily available hardware. It operates efficiently over various mediums like LoRa, WiFi, Ethernet, and serial connections, enabling autonomous communication that cannot be easily censored, surveilled, or controlled

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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> What is the use case? It's primarily just an experimental system. Demonstrating that fixed infrastructure isn't actually necessary to communicate. Beyond that, it's a mixture of HAM radio for communicating with people outside of your immediate circle, and disaster prep. The best realistic scenario I can see for using it is after a sever weather event like hurricane, tornado, tsunami, etc. that takes out significant…

Some scary applications come to mind. For instance, sprinkling a bunch of nodes + sensors in hostile territory should allow for gathering intelligence, guiding drones, setting of fuses...

Mesh networks are already used by both Russia and Ukraine to guide drones.

With the obvious solution of putting mesh nodes on the drones, foregoing the scattering part.

For everyone else, IoT is already there. And good old paying people to do things (the supply of dumb people never gets depleted).

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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Some scary applications come to mind. For instance, sprinkling a bunch of nodes + sensors in hostile territory should allow for gathering intelligence, guiding drones, setting of fuses...

ExpressLRS[0] (drone / radio control protocol) also uses LoRa, I wonder if anyone's tried mesh networking it… [0] https://www.expresslrs.org/

Russia and Ukraine both use meshed drone control networks now, dunno which tech stack, but likely this or similar.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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I had never heard of this before, then last week I watched a video about it and was hooked. Now I'm seeing it everywhere! Meshtastic and Meshcore are both cool LoRa-based mesh text messaging that operate in an no-license-required band. While this limits your transmit power, it doesn't prohibit encryption - the inverse of most ham radio rules! Some cities have thriving communities of Meshtastic and/or Meshcore. You ca…

So you have the mesh and then what? Do people communicate to distribute prohibited anti-government propaganda or is it a network of people who otherwise be too shy to talk to each other by other means? What is the use case?

It's really for closed user groups. At least meshtastic doesn't allow you to see other people's messages, only those in your own group. They're all encrypted.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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So you have the mesh and then what? Do people communicate to distribute prohibited anti-government propaganda or is it a network of people who otherwise be too shy to talk to each other by other means? What is the use case?

I set up my first node after the last major Verizon outage that rendered my cell phone useless as a mobile communications device. Now, when the next outage happens, with the always-on base station that I have at home, I can bring a portable Meshtastic radio out with me, paired to my phone via Bluetooth, and retain the ability communicate wirelessly back home, or with any of the other many nodes in the extensive netwo…

Like HAM radio: nobody needs it, until a real emergency strikes.

Then everyone does.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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https://meshmap.net https://www.meshcoretel.ru/en/MOW/map Maybe other maps too... I thing Russia's main problem (not only with mesh) is that you have millions of people living in or near few cities and very few inbetween. And those living "inbetween" typically have no money or time for things like mesh, they are struggling with simplier things.

> And those living "inbetween" typically have no money or time for things like mesh, they are struggling with simplier things. It's just a personal opinion, but I really think this is not the case in reality. Those guys in the middle of nowhere are the biggest geeks in LoRa networks. They have more practical scenarios, more to gain and better conditions for great distances. A friend of mine lives far away from me, ba…

>Those guys in the middle of nowhere are the biggest geeks in LoRa networks

Population dynamics in Russia are vastly different than in the West.

Geeks don't exist or survive in the countryside.

Not only it's abject poverty, it's also the culture that penalizes anyone who sticks out.

Russian countryside is kept poor and uneducated with no opportunities other than signing a military contract. That's how Russia was able to fight its 3-day invasion of Ukraine for 4 years without doing a full scale mobilization.

Anyone who even knows what a "mesh network" is would be in a city.

That's one aspect in which Ukraine and Russia are different.

Re: An Introduction to Meshtastic

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Meshtastic is really cool! The heltec v4 is the best board for it you can get on Amazon.

Put it on your roof with a cheap solar panel meant for a security camera, and join it to your home WiFi.

Just use the little plastic case it came in as an enclosure. Cut a hole for the antenna and USB.

A slightly larger antenna will help. There are many on Amazon, and they’re cheap.

(I have tried lots of boards and this has been the best setup for me)

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