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Post by jeroenhd »

gruez wrote: post #55
dgrin91 wrote: post #54

Maybe a dumb question, but how is this suppose to work for iphone users? They wont have google play, and it seems like android/google play is required here? There is no way they would cut out such a huge chunk of the market.

iPhones have attestation too: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establ... It'll just be more clunky because you have to install their app.

I believe the latest versions of iOS just work from the browser, you only need to install the app for older versions of the OS.

I don't know what technology they're using, but when I scanned the QR code it launched (downloaded?) an iOS app of sorts with one tap, similar to the way Google tried Instant Apps a few years back. Didn't even need to double tap the power button like usual.

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Post by llbbdd »

everdrive wrote: post #145
llbbdd wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone is small computer

Sure, and the north korean Linux distro also runs on a computer. I still wouldn't touch it.

Is it just a matter of not trusting the OS? I'm trying to figure out why "smart phone" is the discriminator here.

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Post by kogasa240p »

pietervdvn wrote: post #6
jchw wrote: post #2

Exactly my thoughts. I am unfathomably angry and I want to contribute to any effort to dismantle Google as a company.

Yeah, same. It is hard; we start to need a collective boycott. We can all do our part, by using their products as little as possible, contribute to open alternatives (OpenStreetMap, Fediverse, Linux, Nextcloud...) and by stimulating our (non-techie!) friends and family. But it is a lot of work :(

IMO the biggest issue is that some non-tech people will occasionally be straight up hostile and will whine about not having "features", but then again it only takes a small amount of people taking action inflict real change. Also medium term we need to start making phones (smart OR dumb) that are FOSS as possible. > Linux Open/FreeBSD too, we need to have more redundancy.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by jeroenhd »

everdrive wrote: post #82

No one should ever browse the web on a smart phone. Not joking.

This API also works on the desktop. In fact, you can't use this system without a phone if your browser isn't Google enough.

We are going to see sooooo many scams out there. No wonder Google is locking down third party Android apps outside of their control, getting a user to install "device verification.apk" will become super trivial after people have clicked through these popups a couple times.

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Post by garciansmith »

stronglikedan wrote: post #118

Why should I even care anymore? I no longer need to access random websites to find information since I can just ask the AIs.

Even besides services you might need to access, as pointed out in another response (e.g., banks, shops), how are you going to check the veracity and understand the context of the information you seek without going to the (possibly hallucinated!) sources? But I guess a lot of people who are into using AI like that just don't care.

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Post by jeroenhd »

AlienRobot wrote: post #115

I think the idea is good if it could actually curb bot traffic that currently plagues the Internet. However, a lot of recent bot traffic are sophisticated scrappers called "LLM's." You can tell claude to "research X from this www.example.com" and will automatically scrape it and summarize it, something that a LLM is perfect for. Gemini tends to share links instead, presumably because most of Google's revenue comes fr…

Their product page is full of info about how this works with "agentic" cruft. They're still permitting your regular old scrapers and bots for as long as they like you. Hope you're not thinking of running an independent system instead of a large cloud platform!

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Post by Gagarin1917 »

DonThomasitos wrote: post #105

We see the fundamental forces of capitalism at work: To justify valuation, Google needs to grow. When they feel a ceiling, they broaden their search to anything legal that makes customers pay - even if it contradicts their longterm interests. This created countless attack angles for startups. The good news: we already have a solution! Monopoly laws. In case of the internet, no company should be able to have this much…

>We see the fundamental forces of capitalism at work: To justify valuation, Google needs to grow.

You’re confusing markets with capitalism.

Market Socialism (the only reasonable kind) would have these same issues. If Google was owned by the workers instead of capitalists, it would still have incentive to grow. The worker owners would have the exact same incentives as current owners. The only difference would be who the owners are.

Capitalism is not actually “the final boss” that internet leftists make it out to be. Socialism is not the panacea that leftists make it out to be. Surveillance is not a “capitalist only” thing.

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