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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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It should not be a "vote with your wallet" situation. It should be governments shattering that organization into appropriately sized companies.

We cannot vote with our wallets because there’s no real competition. That’s the problem with the big tech companies and other monopolistic companies in other areas.

In what area is there no real competition? I can think of real competition in everything Google does with the possible exception of YouTube.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #47

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On that topic, I would highly recommend you to switch to Kagi! Search is still their workhorse for ad revenue. Less search, less users, in addition to users now just asking chatgpt and co, will hurt them well

Wouldn’t installing an adblocker basically hurt them as much / more as I still cost them compute but don't get them that sweet ad money?

You think systems that have adblockers installed will keep being able to pass WEI / Google Cloud Fraud Defence checks?

This is an attestation scheme. Attestation is about controlling what software you are and aren't allowed to run. If a future version of this allows desktop browsers rather than just phones, it will almost certainly try to do similar forms of attestation, and prevent you from controlling your own software stack.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Whether it's AMP or manifest 3 or android source shenanigan or attempts to replace cookies with their FLOC nonsense or this...Google is rapidly turning into a malicious force when it comes to the open internet

> rapidly becoming Always has been. Google was creating cartels like the "Open Handset Alliance" literally decades ago. Via their control of Chrome and Search which are both monopolies, Google holds absolute authority on how websites are rendered and if websites can be found.

> Chrome and Search which are both monopolies

I'm on Firefox and use DuckDuckGo.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #64

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I'm amused at how thoroughly Google adopted Microsoft's playbook. Chrome supplanted Internet Explorer by embracing the open web. But then Google immediately started on extensions, and now they're trying to extinguish the open web with nonsense like Cloud Fraud Defense. All very smoothly done. I mean, people are actually _asking_ for this junk. I'm impressed.

No they didn't. Firefox unseated Internet Explorer. Chrome then got big by putting its installer right on the Google homepage and harassing users to install it. And they had it bundled with other software, and would install as a user so that locked down computers could still run it. They absolutely did not win by embracing open standards.

Chrome has gone off doing their own standards to some extent, but you're forgetting what it was like when Internet Explorer dominated. You basically couldn't use the web without IE because they broke so many standards and implemented them in closed source. Then there was ActiveX on top, straight up Windows binaries in web. And besides there being a dominant engine, only one browser could use that engine. Trading that for Chrome dominance was at least a step up.

I use Firefox right now. Occasionally I need to open a site in Chrome instead, but it's rare.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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We see the fundamental forces of capitalism at work: To justify valuation, Google needs to grow. When they feel a ceiling, they broaden their search to anything legal that makes customers pay - even if it contradicts their longterm interests. This created countless attack angles for startups. The good news: we already have a solution! Monopoly laws. In case of the internet, no company should be able to have this much power.

The bad news: US decided to weaponize big tech’s leverage over the world and does not enforce these laws anymore that fix vanilla capitalism.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #24

Whether it's AMP or manifest 3 or android source shenanigan or attempts to replace cookies with their FLOC nonsense or this...Google is rapidly turning into a malicious force when it comes to the open internet

> rapidly becoming Always has been. Google was creating cartels like the "Open Handset Alliance" literally decades ago. Via their control of Chrome and Search which are both monopolies, Google holds absolute authority on how websites are rendered and if websites can be found.

They lost their search monopoly when LLMs came.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #100

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Turns out RMS has always been right. How surprising.

Indeed, occasionally hammers do find nails to hit.

Strange analogy considering that RMS got to where he is precisely by finding nails to hit much, much more than occasionally, and much, much more than most hammers.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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We cannot vote with our wallets because there’s no real competition. That’s the problem with the big tech companies and other monopolistic companies in other areas.

In what area is there no real competition? I can think of real competition in everything Google does with the possible exception of YouTube.

Everything that gets money from ads. The network effects are too strong for competition against their ads platform and their ability to do targeted advertising based on data only they have. You can’t build a new ads platform and then use that to monetize your company’s other services, because the existing ad networks are so mature and established.

Phones. Your choice is Apple or Google.

As you said, YouTube. Again, they have users and creators in one place, so it’s hard for a new platform to compete.

There are also a lot of enterprise contracts that bundle many things together. Like cloud and their workplace apps (whatever it is now called).

But also, just their size is a problem. Look at their AI story. First off, many customers get forced into packages where they get Gemini included as part of the bundle (which means they’re paying for it automatically and have less of a reason to pay for something else). But also - Google was slow to build useful products here. Even though they are late and made many failed attempts like Bard, they can afford to take losses for years that no small company - or maybe even large companies that aren’t mega corps - can absorb. Those other competitors would go out of business and have to be careful and move slowly in spending. But Google’s capital lets them make mistake after mistake but still compete and eventually win. So it’s not a fair competition.

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