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Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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I saw this coming from miles away. Computers are better at solving CAPTCHAs than people are and people can be bribed or convinced to join botnets so IP whitelisting doesn't work either. Now we have tons of fingerprinting and behaviour analysis but governments are cracking down on that. Plus, YouTube had a massive ad fraud problem with ads being played back in the background in embedded videos, so their detection clearly wasn't good enough.

There aren't many good ways to prove you're not a bot and there are even fewer that don't involve things like ID verification.

Their opt-in approach helps shift the blame to individual web stores for a while, so who knows if this will take off. But either way, in the long term, the open, human internet is either going away or getting locked behind proofs of attestation like this.

Apple built remote attestation into Safari years ago together with Cloudflare and Google is now going one step further, as Apple's approach doesn't work well against bots that can drive browsers rather than scripted automation tools.

Luckily, their current approach can be worked around because it's only targeting things like stores now and you can buy things from other stores. Once stores find out that click farms have hundreds of phones just tapping at remotely served content, uptake will probably be limited.

It'll be a few years before this is everywhere, but unless AI suddenly isn't widely available anymore, it's going to be inevitable.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #106

No one should ever browse the web on a smart phone. Not joking.

Phone is small computer

No one should ever browse the web from an ESP32 either. Like seriously the dark patterns are bad enough from a desktop where you've actually got the screen real estate to see the whole page, have other sites open for comparison, have a keyboard to type your own notes, etc. Most browsing can simply wait, especially the adversarial-commercial type we're talking about here.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm seeing this stance a lot "this is obviously AI generated" Why? What's LLM generated? How can you tell? To me what's obvious is that our trust system is already breaking down. Commenters accusing each other of being AIs is also another example of this.

>Why? What's LLM generated? How can you tell? Not the guy you're responding to, but: 1. The high number of (em) dashes is suspect, though it's unclear whether they manually replaced the em dashes or is actually human generated. 2. "One additional failure worth noting: one incident response professional in the HN thread, raised a concern that operates independently of the bot problem" feels out of place for a content…

> actually human generated

Human written, not generated.

> HN isn't popular enough to be invoked as a source

Excuse me, what do you mean there? The author happens to read HN too.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rapidly becoming Always has been. Google was creating cartels like the "Open Handset Alliance" literally decades ago. Via their control of Chrome and Search which are both monopolies, Google holds absolute authority on how websites are rendered and if websites can be found.

It cracks me up when people say Chrome is a monopoly, because a massive amount of computing devices do not even ship with Chrome. Windows computers, Macbooks, and iPhones require users go search out and install Chrome on their own out of their own volition, shipping with entirely functional and decent browsers out of the box that they have lots of patterns to push. Even many Android phones ship with browsers other th…

and even the iPhone Chrome doesn't use the Chromium engine, it's Safari under the hood

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rapidly becoming Always has been. Google was creating cartels like the "Open Handset Alliance" literally decades ago. Via their control of Chrome and Search which are both monopolies, Google holds absolute authority on how websites are rendered and if websites can be found.

It cracks me up when people say Chrome is a monopoly, because a massive amount of computing devices do not even ship with Chrome. Windows computers, Macbooks, and iPhones require users go search out and install Chrome on their own out of their own volition, shipping with entirely functional and decent browsers out of the box that they have lots of patterns to push. Even many Android phones ship with browsers other th…

Chrome is a monopoly by extending the internet in ways that force users into chrome. Due to market share and Google's prevalence, they have the sway to introduce things that cannot meaningfully be avoided without extreme siloing.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

#136

Why should I even care anymore? I no longer need to access random websites to find information since I can just ask the AIs.

Are you genuinely asking? To pay your taxes, order items online, access your bank account, log into your favorite AI service, there are very often CAPTCHAs involved. Try going a month with CAPTCHAs blocked in uBlock Origin, and you will find yourself unable to do many basic things.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

#137

Why should I even care anymore? I no longer need to access random websites to find information since I can just ask the AIs.

Where do you think the AI gets this information?

They also need to browse the web, and are more likely to be blocked by these measures than humans

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #24

Whether it's AMP or manifest 3 or android source shenanigan or attempts to replace cookies with their FLOC nonsense or this...Google is rapidly turning into a malicious force when it comes to the open internet

Don't you see it closing all around you? It's not just Google. It's governments, corporations, all around the world, simultaneously. The noose is being tightened gradually, then all at once. And it's coming for all of us: https://community.qbix.com/t/increasing-state-of-surveillanc... The threats above interlock by design or convergence: Identity layer (1-5) creates the prerequisite for the others. Once identity is e…

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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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post #24

Whether it's AMP or manifest 3 or android source shenanigan or attempts to replace cookies with their FLOC nonsense or this...Google is rapidly turning into a malicious force when it comes to the open internet

Turns out RMS has always been right. How surprising.

If RMS said not to trust Google's self-proclaimed altruism and relationship with open source, yeah. I always assumed that was a backstab waiting to happen. But that only meant I used an iPhone and didn't care that it was more closed than Android, not that I got an Arch Linux phone or something. (And a Mac more importantly, but there's not really a Google counterpart to that.)
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