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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by brookst »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #243
Forgeties79 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of it as an investment. The rest of the EU also benefits from their hard work, and economic prosperity. Other countries in the EU have also enjoyed economic growth and support over the years. This is something I tell people I am generally politically/socially align with (liberals/progressives) when they start talking about “handouts for red states.” California and other areas were not developed on their own,…

>This is something I tell people I am generally politically/socially align with (liberals/progressives) when they start talking about “handouts for red states.” California and other areas were not developed on their own, they required years of sustained federal investment and interest in the area. If they were to ask where you think this "federal investment" funding came from, what would you reply?

It’s a fair point, but there is a significant difference between investment in infrastructure and education versus just supporting states that are intentionally degrading their infrastructure and education.

Upwards spiral versus downwards. Money pours in for both cases, but only one is really an investment.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

greenavocado wrote: post #136

Prosperity is a curse. People are no longer having children in Poland. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

It's not prosperity, but consumerism. Consumerism causes demographic decline, because it unhinges people's priorities. Their conception of the purpose of life becomes more materialistic, and children compete with that kind of materialistic, self-indulgent consumption.

In that sense, the Poles have been seduced by consumerism.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by airstrike »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #205
mazurnification wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - main benefit of EU is regulatory stabilization and open market. Ironically also this was working also before joining EU (most of the adjustment happening as requirement to join EU and implemented before joining).

Much of the stabilization was due to the strong domestic market. Recall that Poland was the only country to avoid the 2008/2009 recession. It is tight global integration that causes recessions to spread.

Brazil also famously avoided the 2008-09 recession to a great extent, to name one example.

Tight global integration is not a bad thing. Even if we took at face value your argument that a strong domestic market protected Poland in that case, you can't cherry pick the one instance in which lower-than-expected integration was beneficial without also considering all the other times in which it was harmful.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by simonh »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #243
Forgeties79 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of it as an investment. The rest of the EU also benefits from their hard work, and economic prosperity. Other countries in the EU have also enjoyed economic growth and support over the years. This is something I tell people I am generally politically/socially align with (liberals/progressives) when they start talking about “handouts for red states.” California and other areas were not developed on their own,…

>This is something I tell people I am generally politically/socially align with (liberals/progressives) when they start talking about “handouts for red states.” California and other areas were not developed on their own, they required years of sustained federal investment and interest in the area. If they were to ask where you think this "federal investment" funding came from, what would you reply?

Much of it would come from borrowing, which would be paid back using tax revenues in later years from the regions developed using that investment. Just like most investments.

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Post by 1718627440 »

thelastgallon wrote: post #194
vrganj wrote: post #56

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Which, to be fair, laid the foundation for the well-educated part. The Soviets really valued STEM. They also quite valued emancipating women. Just for context, in the 60s, around 5% of chemistry PhDs in the US were women. In the Soviet Union, it was 40%! [0] Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other things they did, but the amount of badass female engineers from Eastern Europe I had the honor of working with is a…

With all that Chemistry talent, they could have built and dominated battery industry.

A large country that kept their communist party in charge actually does.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by yread »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #214
Fokamul wrote: post #174

How it happened? (Source: I'm working with polish companies) 1. Hard working people 2. Biggest recipient of EU subsidies used for projects which generates more profit. Infrastructure, internet, etc. To compare, Czechia used it for stupid things like bicycle lanes, child playgrounds etc. 3. Building permit is very easy to get for basically anything. Yes, this way you can sometimes get chaotic new buildings, but this c…

> Czechia used it for stupid things like bicycle lanes, child playgrounds etc. Without the full picture, these don’t seem like stupid things at all. What makes it stupid for them to invest in these things?

I would say Czechia used it more to boost the agricultural holding that's totally not owned by our PM

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by dmpanch »

helge9210 wrote: post #5

Vacuuming working age population from Ukraine since 2014. Poland did everything right, while Ukrainian governments and businesses were smirking "What are you going to do?" during salary discussions.

Over the past 4 years, millions of Ukrainians have fled there because of the war — many of whom had businesses and money in Ukraine and are integrating seamlessly into the Polish economy. Almost the entire Ukrainian IT sector that used to operate on an outsourcing basis is now there. Before the war, Ukrainians were mainly a source of cheap labor there, while Poles were doing the same work in other European countries. And since Ukraine is a bargaining chip in the current war, it is in the interest of all its neighbors for Poland to become strong, so that the Russians don’t cross the border.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by 1718627440 »

tomalbrc wrote: post #62
vrganj wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which, to be fair, laid the foundation for the well-educated part. The Soviets really valued STEM. They also quite valued emancipating women. Just for context, in the 60s, around 5% of chemistry PhDs in the US were women. In the Soviet Union, it was 40%! [0] Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other things they did, but the amount of badass female engineers from Eastern Europe I had the honor of working with is a…

How come eastern germany does so poorly?

MBAs and company owners do not come from stem education.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by dr_kretyn »

danr4 wrote: post #19

Poland would've probably been my top relocation priority if it weren't for the atrocious air quality

I'm Polish and I left because of the air quality. But, 15 years passed, and it got much better (obs. through holiday visits). People no longer heat with trash and coal isn't less of an option. Also, it isn't as cold in the winter so there is less need for heavy heating. Really thinking of coming back, to family.
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