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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by kuboble »

cpursley wrote: post #103
petesergeant wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but being occupied by Russia has not traditionally been a motor for growth

They weren’t occupied by Russia, but the USSR which was an authoritarian communist state. That entire economic system failed for a reason, and the Chinese were wise to pivot (and not try spreading its ideology by force).

Big parts of Poland have been occupied by a regime in Moscow for much longer than soviet empire existed, with roughly same outcomes.

Most than century after Poland gained independence age WW1, you can still see the economical differences from being occupied by Germans and Russians.

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Post by dakiol »

ptdorf wrote: post #21

Educated AND motivated workforce will do the trick. All the polish I know that work in IT enjoy handwork as well. They are hard workers.

I guess it's anecdata. Polish engineers I've worked with weren't that good at technical stuff nor communication (in English). They're overprotective with "their" code and in general we've had more luck with western/southern Europeans.

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Post by Jensson »

TitaRusell wrote: post #172
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #123

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I think this is the hidden reason why the American alt-right/far-right/MAGA/techbro types hate the EU with so much apoplectic rage. For all its problems, big-picture-like it actually works to gradually coalesce a huge rich continent with a bigger population than the US into something increasingly more coherent, and if it continues to work it will mean that the Western world now has two heavyweight leaders, not one. F…

Europe is the birthplace of democracy, socialism, feminism and secularism. Ofcourse Christ conservatives hate it.

And remember Christianity come from the middle east.

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Post by shrubble »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #143

In the United States, Red/Right leaning States typically receive more federal funding than Blue States. Red States get 'propped up'. I bet a lot of people here criticizing that EU funding went to Poland are typically Right Leaning, and think they are making a some killer point about socialism, when back home they are also taking in the hand out money.

This is a poorly supported take, once you factor in the productive parts of the economy.

If you have a lot of farmland in a red state and the profits are reported in a blue state, then counting the reported profits on the corporate balance sheet will give a distorted picture of what is happening.

Look at e.g. General Mills, based in a blue state, but a great deal of what they buy are ag inputs from red states.

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Post by spwa4 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #149
niemandhier wrote: post #76

I love the polish, but credit where credit is due: „Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds 2014-2020, with one in four euro going to Poland“ https://www.gov.pl/web/funds-regional-policy/poland-at-the-f... Update: The comments below this are strange. I ment: „Poland gets money, Poland transforms it into more money”. Is Poland more efficient in it than other countries? I do not know. Would Poland have generated…

Think of it as an investment. The rest of the EU also benefits from their hard work, and economic prosperity. Other countries in the EU have also enjoyed economic growth and support over the years. I'm old enough to remember internal borders with passport checks in Europe, before the wall fell and Poland was still on the other side of that. Nice to see them moving on from that. Thanks to the EU free movement of peopl…

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Post by krona »

Two main reasons: Foreign direct investment, averaging ~5% GDP/year, largely to build and fully integrate Polish industrial base in to Germany. Secondly: an education system designed to create an economy on advanced manufacturing.

The same has been happening in Slovakia; GDP growth per annum very comparable to Poland since 1995.

As a typical example my very German car has many components with "made in " on the side.

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Post by totallykvothe »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #201
jillesvangurp wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think of it as an investment. The rest of the EU also benefits from their hard work, and economic prosperity. Other countries in the EU have also enjoyed economic growth and support over the years. I'm old enough to remember internal borders with passport checks in Europe, before the wall fell and Poland was still on the other side of that. Nice to see them moving on from that. Thanks to the EU free movement of peopl…

> Think of it as an investment. The rest of the EU also benefits from their hard work, and economic prosperity. Other countries in the EU have also enjoyed economic growth and support over the years. This is something I tell people I am generally politically/socially align with (liberals/progressives) when they start talking about “handouts for red states.” California and other areas were not developed on their own,…

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Post by LightBug1 »

So, countries inside a large, free-trading, economic zone, with a diversity of economic standards, tend to do well from central investment and all the many benefits that accrue from said economic zone.

Shocking.

Well done, UK. You really shat the bed and, by the look of it, still are. Diarrhea, possibly.

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Post by nkmnz »

gmerc wrote: post #181
shevy-java wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is not whether it is an investment or whether it is not. The question is whether growth is objective and fair or whether it is not. For comparison of wealth in Poland, ALL net-subsidies would have to be deducted, because this is essentially wealth taken from other countries, and distributed to poorer areas in the EU. I am not disputing that this leads to more growth; I am disputing the "country xyz is no…

Economic zones are NOT zero sum.

I agree, but subsidies aren't free as well. Simply making the overall cake bigger doesn't necessarily pay out for everyone - some have to foot the bill.
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