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Programming Still Sucks

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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by wg0 »

> You knew. And you signed off anyway. Because the alternative was losing the job, and the job was the mortgage, and the school fees, and the visa, and the version of yourself who'd fix it later once things stabilized.

The doll catches the fire.

The greed of gullible CEOs. I assure you there's a talent pipeline collapse that's in progress and you'll be hard press to find senior engineers in few years because AI output is not something a junior can ride easily and you killed that pipline of junior engineers today.

Slaying the goose that lays the Golden eggs in your corporate greed.

You'll pay pack with interest and then some.

Good luck.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by wg0 »

monkeyballs wrote: post #57

> The truth is, working in tech always sucked, and never really was what they thought it was. This is just not true. Working in tech was awesome for me for at least thirteen years from 1988 - 2000. Probably well beyond, actually. The main reason it began to suck was due to business -- corporate acquisitions and mergers -- not tech. Working for a good company, solving fun problems, making meaningful software, and havi…

I guess working for tech became horrible from Web 2.0 era and the SaaS wave.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by classified »

stevenlangbroek wrote: post #56

oh shit haha hey y'all. i'm blown away. also my site is blown away, y'all killed my cloudflare account. maybe go to your room and think about what you did.

Is the Sarah in your post the same as in the > article? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47952807

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #240
bluegatty wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'The industry' is not hellbent on destroying society - this is just so unhinged it's hard to know how to make of it.

"industry' is not hellbent on destroying society" Think you are missing the point. It is not an actual back room with dudes twirling their mustaches with concrete plans to destroy the world. It is the 'profit motive' that forces a thousand small decisions, that you go along with because you have a mortgage to pay. And all added up they destroy the world.

"And all added up they destroy the world."

That is total nonsense.

You people have lost your minds, this is worse than a bad reddit thread.

Neither 'industry' not 'software' is 'destroying the world'.

Also ""Think you are missing the point.

It is not an actual back room with dudes twirling their mustaches ""

Thanks for the 'deep insight'?!?

Do you think you're conversing with a 14 year old, struggling with abstractions?

FYI - I've lived around the world, 'studied industry' formally, worked in a handful of them.

We're more prosperous than we have ever been, by a long mile.

There are some externalizations that are not healthy, but almost all of it is simply due to the large footprint we have on the earth.

Thankfully the population will scale back a bit and we'll probably harmonize.

But the very notion that 'the industry is destroying the world' is so juvenile and nihilist, it's just ridiculous.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #285
bluegatty wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. The system does what it does. It's not 'destroying society'. Not remotely in, any sense. Many people seem to like Facebook. It's not really not causing harm, they are a minor nuisance at worst ... that you can avoid by ... not using it. Open AI makes AI that you can use to do whatever. That's mostly it.

"The system does what it does." The statement was that the purpose of the system is what it does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha... Read at least the first couple lines and become microscopically less ignorant. Or don't. I'm not your mom.

I know exactly what the statement means - you seem to be the one blithely missing the point.

The 'system is doing what it is doing' and it's not 'destroying the world' it's improving it for the most part, with some negative externalities.

People on this thread are in such a juvenile nihilist head fog that they can't recognize what is going on around them, nor can they seem to even to be able to apply these metaphors, and when it's spelled out for them, they still don't get it.

There's nothing hugely wrong with 'the industry' even as it 'does what it does'.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by bluegatty »

blackjack_ wrote: post #93
bluegatty wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. The system does what it does. It's not 'destroying society'. Not remotely in, any sense. Many people seem to like Facebook. It's not really not causing harm, they are a minor nuisance at worst ... that you can avoid by ... not using it. Open AI makes AI that you can use to do whatever. That's mostly it.

Facebook literally heavily contributed or at minimum enabled and amplified at least one genocide (2017 Myanmar). That is the total opposite of "really not causing harm".

Facebook did not 'contribute' to that, first of all, second of all it's an enormously isolated incident in the grand scope of software industry.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by ironmagma »

antonvs wrote: post #292
ironmagma wrote: post #116

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Society doesn't owe anybody anything. So who's to say when you find something else to do, it will pay enough to live?

> Society doesn't owe anybody anything. That's obviously false. What's the point of society if that's true? Do you think there should be no government roads, no government health care (if you're in the US, you may think this, but only because you're indoctrinated), no legal system (or enforcement thereof) to protect you from criminals, no legally enforceable human rights whatsoever? Etc., etc.? Once they actually und…

That’s actually something I agree with; I was making that statement as a challenge to the parent comment because it seems to be what they believe.

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

coldtea wrote: post #211
grim_io wrote: post #205

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We are building software in the image of their sponsors. This is nothing new or unique to software.

It is quite new historically.

The software part, yes. For the rest, luddites would like to have a word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite (probably not the oldest instance, but the oldest i know of)

Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by valleyer »

Ygg2 wrote: post #252
munksbeer wrote: post #171

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World GDP and standard of living has never been higher.

If two trillionaires bounce a 4 trillion dollar IOU, the GDP could be the greatest in the universe, even though nothing would substantially change.

That's not what GDP means.
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