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Programming Still Sucks

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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by coldtea »

grim_io wrote: post #205
at-fates-hands wrote: post #69

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>> I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society. People will argue this point. However, when I look at all the things that tech has done thinking it was going to improve society; when in fact, it did the exact opposite is hard to argue. AI is just another item on a very long list of dystopian markers that writers/musicians have warned us about for years. The scary part now is people den…

We are building software in the image of their sponsors. This is nothing new or unique to software.

It is quite new historically.

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Post by coldtea »

munksbeer wrote: post #167
at-fates-hands wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society. People will argue this point. However, when I look at all the things that tech has done thinking it was going to improve society; when in fact, it did the exact opposite is hard to argue. AI is just another item on a very long list of dystopian markers that writers/musicians have warned us about for years. The scary part now is people den…

>People will argue this point. However, when I look at all the things that tech has done thinking it was going to improve society; when in fact, it did the exact opposite is hard to argue. Certainly a lot of bad things have come out of tech. But I don't agree that it has made everything overall worse. That feels like recency bias. In which few decades in history would you rather be spending your years on this earth,…

I'd take the 90s, 80s, 70s or 60s anytime, just gimme that magic time travel option. You know what, even the 00s would be fine.

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Post by firemelt »

arian_ wrote: post #105

Programming has always sucked. The difference now is that we have AI agents that can do the sucking for us, and somehow that made everything worse because now we have to debug code we didn't write, can't fully understand, and definitely can't explain in a code review.

why do you think programming is sucked?

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Post by grim_io »

roenxi wrote: post #176
eloisant wrote: post #149

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It also doesn't owe your CEO billions for hovering over a company where other people (like you) do the actual value creation.

That's fairly well understood. If people get wind that the CEO isn't necessary they'd be out on their ear in short order. I don't think I've ever met anyone who'd shed a tear for the CEO losing their job. Except CEOs.

CEO's don't lose jobs, they just move into other board/CEO positions.

Never a shortage of those, it seems. But only for insiders, of course.

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Post by boogierobis »

63stack wrote: post #174
lproven wrote: post #164

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> Im a medior I do not know that word. I looked it up and found nothing helpful. What does it mean, and what do you mean? Also, may I ask you to use more punctuation and things like currency symbols, because your message lacks so much context I can't even guess.

The first 3 hits on any search engine weren't relevant?

What I was going to ask as well, seems that people are getting dumber by the day.

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

munksbeer wrote: post #171
maweki wrote: post #118

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> Society doesn't owe me over $500k/year No it doesn't. But as a human being, you and everybody still deserves a decent living. And our current system clearly does not provide that for a lot of people.

World GDP and standard of living has never been higher.

So? We produce enough food for 10 billion people every year, there's only 8 billion of us and a billion are hungry. Those seem like legible KPIs for shareholders (i.e. humanity) to pursue, no? And while World GDP is up, it's come at the expensive of the systems we depend on.

I want my son to live on a livable planet, and not under the constant threat of destitution. And I want that for all children, not just mine.

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

ironmagma wrote: post #116
01100011 wrote: post #92

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Society doesn't owe me over $500k/year for writing some instructions in a cryptic specification language. It's cool that I've been getting that, but I consider that luck and circumstance. When robots take my job I'll go find something else to do. I'm not going to blame evil rich people or some other boogieman.

Society doesn't owe anybody anything. So who's to say when you find something else to do, it will pay enough to live?

Correct. But don't you want something from the future? What do you imagine it to look like? How far is it from what you hope it might? What are you willing to do to bring them closer together?

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Post by stevenlangbroek »

torginus wrote: post #131
fooqux wrote: post #27

> AI didn't take our jobs. Greed did. Same greed that moved factories to Bangladesh and keeps slaves in cobalt mines in the Congo, wearing a new mask. Tell the nephew to do something else. Anything. It won't save him either, but at least he won't have to pretend the thing destroying his life is a robot. This hit me hard. This article is art. I think I need to sleep on this and read it again in the morning.

Does it? Why do those slaves work in the Congo? It's to produce materials that go into premium EVs in order to satiate demand in rich Western countries. If said demand never existed, or people would say 'yeah, but not at this cost', like you seem to imply the moral responsibility lies solely with industrialists, these mines would never exist.

Is all demand equal? How is demand induced, by who and for what benefit?
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